Sunderland/Megson

[bwfc1106]

wooohooo Megson has his keeping us up Bonus! shopping spree for the Megson family!!! wonder what it will be a porsche louis vuitton handbag for his wife or evena nice new house!

instead of us paying for the tickets maybe next seaosn they should just let every one in for free then come round and pick pocket us because to be honest its all the club has done this season robbed the fans. its like paying a cleaner to come and clean your house then it just being as untidy as you left it and your £30 less well off, because you pay to watch premiership football and well get served up sunday league tactics...long balll.....defender wins it they attack long ball defender wins it they attack!

cant wait for for super Elmander next season though!!!

next season will be laughable 15,000 crowds Davies will be at blackburn with sam cahill will have gone and people will still be saying ooo but hes keeping us up ooo it will get better until its too late we'll be in the championship with players not worthy of our support probably with GM in charge unless he walks out on us as he has done at most of his previous clubs.

Boring Boring Boring!!!! BWFC is not entertainment anymore its dyer and depressing i dont see many people around me enjoying the match and the vast majority saying they will not be here next season these are not just one season wonders but people that have been going for a long time.

whats the point on here in debating which players to buy what tactics to play when for starters he cant attract a good quialty of players and when he does he turns them into a crab to pass to the side or just play the long ball i dread to think how many long diaganol balls they played today.

right rant over cant wait for the free flowing football just like brazil next season and for elmander to be bagging 20 you know when Megson got the job there was a reason why nobody was happy and hes just proved everyone right. but hey ho as long as we struggle to pay our season ticket fees and he gets all the money in the world for ginger hair dye and porches who gives f**k?

[Manny]

The way I see it, if people don't want to go, just don't go!

Sunderland were all over us in that first half and probably deserved to win the game. Fortunately we improved a bit after half time and nearly won it at the end.

I've just looked back through a few of your previous posts. You complain about the players we have, but how would Phil Bardsley, Barry Ferguson and Wayne Routeledge improve us?!

I respect people's views, but with the players we've had this season and providing we don't ease off over the next two games, I'd be over the moon with a mid table finish after all the crap that's gone on behind the scenes over the last 2 years.

Some people need to get off their high horse and realise we're not good enough to be challenging for Europe at the moment.

[Sluffy]

Boring Boring Boring!!!!

Simple - don't bother going next season - you won't be the only one.

We will be playing pretty much as we have done this last season - give or take one or two key signings - so I think it will be the same again.

If you don't enjoy it - then don't go - no one is forcing you are they?

When I used to go regularly, the match really was just an excuse to meet up with my mates and have a laugh.  I've seen some dire (that's how you spell it 118!) games it my time too - but some how we used to laugh about how bad we were - not get angry and moan a lot like folk seem to do now.  It was more like gallows humour - part of having a laugh on the day.  I used to get home with a smile on my face even though we were heading towards relegation to the fourth division (after not that long back being in the first division itself!).

Footballs changed - but obviously so to have the fans.

So do all the boring old farts like me a favour then 118 - don't get a season ticket next year - find something else to do instead that gives you more pleasure - and let the rest of us who support Bolton through the good times and the bad times get on with it.

Feel sorry for me if you want, perhaps I am a sad person who needs to get a life - but I've watched all sort of shíte from players, managers and fans of Bolton Wanderers for over four decades - and I'm not giving up on them because fans like you don't like our current manager, or think or £8 million striker is shíte, or we play boring football - you're probably right on two if not all three points - BUT either fcúk off or live with it - I don't mind which - because things ain’t going to change much any time soon.

[bwfc_Djorkaeff]

did you really expect us to play a team battling for survival off the park?? They played 4-5-1 it was never going to be easy to carve out chances. They needed the point more than us so were never going to let it us take it without a fight. They defended well and we didn't test the keeper enough. I don't know how you know for a fact megson can't attract any players (other teams were after cahill yet he chose us), yes big sam could but thats one of his strongest points as a manager. What proof have you that any other potential manager is any better at it? We're 2 points behind wigan who are supposed to be having a very good season.

[Jamster26]

 BWFC you make it sound like weve only just started playin crap football. Weve been doing that for ages, even under the Sam era! i Dont expect our tactics to change any time soon I think weve just got to except that were not a free flowing football team. You only have to look when sammy lee was in charge and look where that got us! I think the prices are a joke to be honest but I could say that about any PL club. Look at stoke though they hardly play good football but get full houses every week. Something we could enspire to (or dream to)

[Manny]

Staying with the Big Sam point that Djorkaeff just brought up. Sure Allardyce is remembered for bringing players like Okocha, Djorkaeff, Anelka, Campo etc. to the club, but for every one of those, there were three bad ones.

Anyone remember Akin Bulent, Djibril Diawara, Mario Jardel, Blessing Kaku? Oh and wait for it, the world beater himself, OSCAR PEREZ!

[bwfc_Djorkaeff]

i'm sure if sam had been given money he would've bought some good players in but also a couple of duff players in...he paid 6 million for alan smith at newcastle whos a pretty poor footballer these days as one of my best mates who's a geordie tells me each time he plays.

Of course i understand your view on our crap football but as jamster says its been pretty similar for years, if i was a defender and had cohen muamba and mccann in front of me i'd probably lump it up field too. Give megson a chance to get a decent midfield playmaker this summer and see if our performances improve then. Yes he's had 3 windows already but we had other massive holes in our team to fill so this is the one he needs to address this summer. You may be right about elmander not improving next season we just don't know. His previous clubs couldn't speak highly enough of him so theres obviously some talent in there somewhere just hard to see it at the moment.

[bwfc1106]

what not go like you sluffy? no offence fair enough you went in the past but if your not going at the moment then you cant comment on how people feel and what they see? for me all i see is negativity round the club never see one person after a match happy this season the latest stat is that we have failed to score in about 20 premiership games thats half the matches now you cant tell me thats value for money can you?

as for me going next season i defintley wont be going too as many but i would never stop going at all and let one current team/managment team drive me out but well if people dont think theyre getting value for money they will spend there money elsewhere which in turn maybe not financialy but make no mistake will have a detrimental effect on the team and club as how can you expect to build a team and move a club foward when your getting 15,000 as i see it - the 5,000 sunderland fans that leaves us with 19,000 there yday id say a good 5,000 will not renew their season tickets and under the score board is not the same as it used to be with kids about 10 there which just makes our support look embarrasing so even people going just for the atmosphere there will be reluctant to go next season.

i still cant understand how still most of you on here are still in favour of Megson i dont wanna sound like one of those that says Megson out and everything will be alrite again because im not that thick and naive....but its either the fact that alot of you simply dont go to the matches and are just looking at the facts on paper and are not actually sampling the football etc or you lot just dont actually understand football what it stands for and are brainwashed that  the premiership is the be all and all and nothing else matters but let me tell you firstly football is entertainment thats why sky pay so much money for it hence why we are never on tv apart from against big clubs we are struggling for a sponsor and the crowds are dropping. if every team played football just to stay safe and crawl over the finish line to 40 points every season then they would not invest at all luckily for us in this country there are actually chairman and fans that have amibition and demand good football where as you lot seem to just resign youselves to the fact that were going to be a boring club for the rest of our lives.

The damage to the reputation of the club as a boring team with ever decreeasing crowds in part mainly to 1 man and long after hes gone we will still be plagued by this depressing time as a BWFC fan i think you lot need to wake up smell the coffee that the clubs going down hill and im guessing most of you will only do that when we have been relgated.

[Manny]

Decreasing crowds? It's like this all over the country, and we've actually had the biggest increase of any Premier League club this season compared to last.

Some people are stopping going because of all the negativity of the fans and how they fight amongst themselves. Stoke was the biggest example. Sluffy doesn't go to games because he doesn't live anywhere near the town. What do you expect him to do.

At the moment we're 13th, an improvement on last season with a smaller squad, we've brought through some youngsters, we have people on the verge of the England squad. Like I said before, some people need to get real and understand we're not a club capable of challenging for Europe at the moment.

Can I ask how old you are mate? A lot of people who complain are the kids, those who paid £49 for a season ticket. Their parents will have even paid for it and they're the ones who cause all the trouble.

This coming from someone who goes to about 25-30 games a season and would do the full lot if I wasn't in such a poor financial state.

[Sluffy]

Your still a child aren't you 118 - no offence meant but you simply can't grasp reality can you.

Let's take me - I don't have a season ticket because I live near London.  Although it is the best part of an 8 hour round journey that never stopped me until I got divorced and could only see my daughter at weekends.  She doesn't like football so I had a choice of seeing the Wanders or my own kid - guess who won?

So no I don't go to the Reebok like you - I guess that makes me a shíte fan in your eyes.

But anyway I agree with you that the team is not playing well and this seasons signings have not worked.  But what good does moaning about it do - do you really think that Eddie Davies and Phil Gartside don't see that too?

I have my own business - obviously not one with a £60+ million turnover like BWFC - but I own it completely - just like Davies owns the Wanderers.

Now I'm finding it tough in this credit crunch - as my customers are not spending like they were doing - so I've had to make sure that no matter what I keep my customers who spend the most money with me happy.  To do this I've slashed my charges (which as meant laying off staff as my profits have also been slashed) and tried to flatter them a bit more with corporate hospitality going their way.  It goes against my personal values really but if I don't retain their business I'm fucked - and that means losing my house and car and being declared bankrupt!

Welcome to my world.

So maybe I can appreciate a little more than most of how BWFC runs as a business. 

You can forget the bollocks about it being in the entertainment business for a start - it is in the survival business just like I am!

Try and get it through your skull that BWFC's prime source of income is the Sky money - yes Davies will lose money if thousands of fans walk away - but he's fucked if we get relegated!

So what does he do - he appoints a man who will keep the team up - he's not charismatic, he's not media friendly, he's not popular - but he delivers (twice now).

Do we play more attractive football than West Brom, Boro, Newcastle, Hull, Blackburn, Portsmouth or Sunderland - well probably not BUT we are above them all.

Is he a better manager than Southgate, Mobary, Shearer, Hart, Allardyce, Sbragia or Brown - well may be not in many people's view BUT he is above them all.

Steve Bruce and Wigan - who many have been having wet dreams over this season - are two points in front of us (yes and a game in hand - against United!).

Tony Pulis - who many tip for manager of the year is only two points above us as well!

....if every team played football just to stay safe and crawl over the finish line to 40 points every season then they would not invest at all....

Now I might not get to the games much these days but are you really telling me that Stoke, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Portsmouth, Sunderland and us have not just done that with Hull, Newcastle, Boro and West Brom still trying to do it?  That’s a lot of clubs out of a league of just twenty teams don't you think?

Sky pays the money so people can watch the likes of United and Chelsea play - teams like us just make up the numbers.  If the big four ever broke away to be part of a European league do you really think Sky would still play big money for the Premiership?

Bolton play like Bolton play because that is the way they do it to survive.

If you can't grasp that then your still a child - no matter how old you actually are.

[Manny]

Is he a better manager than Southgate, Mobary, Shearer, Hart, Allardyce, Sbragia or Brown - well may be not in many people's view BUT he is above them all.

Better than all of those, except Allardyce. 

[bwfc_Djorkaeff]

I agree with most of the stuff you say 1106...except how you always moan about being negative just aiming for 40 points...we did that under sam every year. You have to look for 40 point mark then try and push on once you've got there. Almost every team bar the top 6 does this. Also i still don't see who these managers are you seem to want who would be able to get mccann muamba cohen etc playing silky attractive football. I doubt even wenger could teach these guys to pass. Megson said yesterday hes looking to add quality and flair to the side, so why not give him the chance to?

Brown has hardly proved himself an amazing manager the way hull have gone since the turn of the year. Coyle has said he isn't interested in leaving burnley. So tell me these managers you want us to get playing exciting europe chasing football instead of megson. Like it or not there simply aren't that many proven managers around to replace him.

[Manny]

I hear Scolari's looking for a job!

[bwfc1106]

look m8 i said i wernet going to post but you probably deserve a reply...

i appreciate you own your own business and so you understand how it works my dad owns his own business so ive picked up on stuff from him naturally...i fully appreciate most of the money comes from sky so staying in the premiership is the main thing as this is a guaranteed source of income for next season but at the moment there is clearly a lack of quailty in the squad and from what i can see the average players are not being motivated enough too put in a peformance im saying if the quialty of the players/football doesnt improve then your counting on luck and determintaion too stay up now im sure i dont have to tell you that your luck wont last forever so if the clubs around us carry on improving and we just stand still and dont move foward which i believe we cant with negativity surrounding us as a club in the whole...so where do you have too look too, the catalyst behind the negativity which is all in all GM both as a person and the football he plays? i just cant see any way back for him to be honest if all he ever is going to do is to hit 40 points and send the players out in flipflops for the rest of the season he is never going to get the fans behind him.

i also appreciate your personal cicumstances and thats nothing to do with me in the slightest but im just saying if your not there in the ground surrounded by disheartend fans, if your not on the buses coming home hearing fans talking about how they wont be going to be coming next season if your not in and around the town and talk to people who say ye there massive BWFC fans went too one game this season and it was that crap they wouldnt be going again if your not sat on a coach back from porstmouth till 2 in the morning and feel like you've just been robbed then i find it hard to see how you can back Megson by only looking on paper and from a boards point of view when surley a football club isnt just about that? is it? maybe it is these days but whats the point in playing shíte football in front of empty stadiums just takes the whole passion out of the game and sky will eventually pull out if the stadiums are empty(i.e. italy) so i dont buy that every team are just going and to hit the 40 point mark they've still got to create a product, its a given most teams try to achieve 40 points then kick on but we simply havent and its just highlighted gm's lack of ambition hes set out 4-5-1 with his top goal scorer on the right looking to stumble across the finishing line to his bonus...surley you can understand when i make my rants its after matches and why im pissed off with it all?

As for me being a child or whatever you said... as you said yourself in a previous post you agreed with most of the things i said but it seems you kick up a fuss if i disagree with anything you say now id say that is more child like and also i dont think i've ever heard you say anything remotley about tactics and more technical issuses about our football where as i have more often than not brought up and discussed issuses way above a childs intelect but whatever im not getting into an argument...now ye maybe in my rants i would say a few daft things over exgaerated but you've gotta laugh unless you would cry after being too the match.

As for managers ok did you want GM for a kick off? im guessing the answer is no last season he kept us up given but to be honest he was there quite a long time id say 2/3's of the season but yet we mathamatically could have still gone down last game of  the season so really i wouldnt call it much of a success id say what sam has done at b.burn is more of a success think theyre level points with us now and lets face it do you think b.burn will be in a relgation battle next season? or roy hodgson id say thats a success theyre going for a uefa cup place will they be in a relgeation battle next season? has Zola turned around west ham got the club in a positive mood again yes...will they be in the relegation dog fight again..no. will we? unfortunatley i would guess so?

i just dont get where your coming from Megsons bin around a long time and never really acheived anything lasting at a club... so say Big sam was at notts county now this season unproven in the premiership etc would you be saying ooo no stick with Megson or would you take a punt on someone with amibtion and who made the club a happier place would you be sitting there saying ooo no stick with GM we'll get 40 points again next season and watch the ping pong football because thats exactly what your all saying...we'd never get any one proven in england because they'd never come to us with the reputation we have given/giving ourselves. as for Coyle the club needs a boost and positivity injuected into it fair enough if burnley go up he probably wont come but if your seriously saying Bolton offerd him a chance at a club he loved in the premiership he'd turn it down no hes not exaclty proven much at managerial level but he hasnt been in managment as long as Megson it would give the supporters a boost and who would then give him more time and patience for him to build and im pretty sure we wouldnt also be playing the same poor football.

As for Brown i've never once said he'd be the right man for the job as i knew hulls dream start wouldnt last  but i tell you what id take him anyday over Megson for the sheer fact i would respect him as a manager more but no he isnt right for us at the moment...as for muamba cohen mccann playing silky football well for a starters muamba is only 21 so should be improving under a manager also given the fact he plays for england under21's he should be able to play a bit of football yet all i see him doing is playing long diagonal passes il tell you what Muambas not a bad player if all he had to do was break up play pressure there midfielders etc but with the tactical genius and small squad GM plays two holding defensive minded centre mids mccann and muamba meaning they both have to attack when neither has both the finishing skills and the pace to do that...mcann should be gone at the end of the season and i would say cohen should as we cant afford to keep a player who will be injured more often than not.

Manny...i'm not having a go at sluffy but anyway i've explained that up there.

shouldnt really need to explain anything to you but if you wanna know im 23 have got a HND in property managment and work for a lettings company...while i have also got my level 3 coaching badge and if you want to check how high up that is feel free to do so so id like to say i kow a little bit about football no i dont have a £49 season ticket and have paid near enough that for two single tickets to chelsea and united this season as i dont have a season ticket just go too most matches home and away so please dont treat me like a kid because i dont share the same views as you..as for it just being kids moaning not a clue where you have got that from as most of the people round me young old middle aged women whatever pal have got a real problem at the moment with the club. do you go away from matches with a smile and feel you've got value for money? I saw the link where it said we had an increase in our crowds im not sure where that came from but do you see it? i mean if you look at all the attendaces then - the away support its about 17,000 average ish maybe it has been helped by cheap tickets + the fact last season we were in europe so people would probably be going there and not to the home matches where as this season they will have opted to go to more home matches as they wernet shelling out for those trips.

All that has kept us up this season is 1 month November 4 wins in 5 matches - those 12 points and were down the boro and sunderland matches fine we deserved them but the other two city and hull we were so lucky found city on an off day and needed a dunne own goal and jussi got us 3 points at hull but got batterd and next season what if our luck runs out?....we have not once this season come back and won from being a goal down now surley that illustarates the lack of tactical nouse from GM why can't he change matches? After the boro match 4-1 at home we have picked up out 15 points 3 now why after the boro match hasnt he got the best out of the players who would be sky high in confidence why has he never shown any consistency apart from that month in novemeber we have won back to back matches once surley there are problems there.

[bwfc_Djorkaeff]

I didn't want megson when he came no. But i wouldn't put down the job he did in keeping us up. I thought we were comfortably going to be safe at christmas. But once the club decided to sell anelka at a time almost impossible to get a replacement in it looked bleak but he kept us up and fair play to him for that. Whatever sam said about leaving us in a terrific state the squad was pretty poor at the time with only a couple of bright sparks.

Right now if somebody offered me owen coyle as manager i probably would take him...not due to megson doing a bad job as I think he's done alright to get us to 13th. But simply because the negativity surrounding megson (rightly or wrongly) isn't doing the club any favours and he'll never fully win over much of the crowd. You can say we've been lucky to stay up as much as you want but doesn't change the fact he's kept us up (with many UNlucky 1-0 defeats along the way).

I personally am pretty excited about next season with the sounds coming out of the club pointing to some investment and megson saying hes after quality players. At west brom and his other clubs they played better football...so we play like this to play to the strengths in the squad that he inherited. Allardyce will play his way wherever he is but i don't think this is particularly megsons philosopy. If we sign a couple of passers and ball carriers I can see our style of play changing to suit these players. We have a decent foundation and if we can add 3 good players would be a good team i think and with the better players megson may have the confidence to be abit more adventureous.

Either way unless we start next season the way sammy lee started his or we're adrift in the bottom 3 come christmas megson won't be sacked as gartside probably will just target survival each year so wouldn't justify sacking him for just aiming for 40 points. Nothing we say will change that i don't think so better live with it and not spend your money to watch the matches if you don't want to.

[bwfc1106]

not sure why im biting but anyway djorkeaf....

many 1-0 defeats ok fair enough but you've got to look at if these matches were so close then what makes the difference between loosing 1-0 drawing 1-1 or winning 2-1 is it not the ability for the manager to either motivate his players at half time to give them confidence if its 0-0 or loosing by the 1 goal to go out second half and get a result or even the ability to adapt your tactics and to influence games with the right decisions i.e if its 0-0 not to sit back on your 18 yard box inviting the opposition onto you and conceding a late goal so i think its more the case that these were not unlucky 1-0's but matches we should have won or got a point out of but as i feel Megson's out of his depth he cannot influence matches to prove he is a premiership class manager and thereofe turn these close 1-0 matches into positive results.

as for looking foward to next season fair enough thats your personal view but it sound like the same old spin coming out of the club to get as many season ticket's/shirts etc sold for next season thats why they pay people 100's of thousands of pounds too work in the clubs pr/marketing department unfortunatley theres no hard evidence in 3 previous transfer windows thats Megson can pull big name quality players or has the confidence from the board to let him invest i hope i'm wrong but i woudlnt hold my breath on us attracting players to persuade many fans to comme back next season.

[Sluffy]

Sorry I've had to leave it until now to reply 118 - but you simply put so much down that I've not had the time to sit down and give you the respect your post deserves.

Firstly let me say that despite what you may think you are amongst my most favourite of posters - not necessarily for what you say - although I don't really differ much from you in your assessment (although I do differ greatly from you in your conclusions) but that I truly admire your passion - something that I had to in abundance until getting older replaced it with cynicism instead!

Quality of the squad - We've had better and quite recently too I totally agree - but we are 13th in the league with two games to go - we are better than seven other Premier teams - and only two points behind Steve Bruces Wigan (who you think has a much better squad than us and who is a much better manager than Megson!

So perhaps a fairer view is that our squad and manager may not actually be as bad as you think.  After all three players knocking on the England door and Jussi in the nets suggest that we do at least have a few good players?

Have you thought too that people say say Megson is a crap manager when we were in a relagation place all last season - but this season when we've consistently been in about 12th place that we are only there because there are so many shíte teams in the Premiership this season!

There will still be one of Hull/Newcastle/ Boro plus Sunderland, 'second season' Stoke, Blackburn, 'will Fulham be as good next season', 'selling club' Portsmouth as well as the three promoted teams next year - so relegation is not necessarily a nailed on certainty as many Megson Out fans assume it will be!

Not at the ground - true I'm not.  But I've been there in 1978/9 when we were in the top division and had crowds of over 20,000 which dropped by about 4,000 the following season because fans had got disillusioned with the club (funnily enough I was a similar age to you are now that season - so probably felt the same way as you do now!).

I was still there 8 seasons later when crowds were below 5,000 and we had got relegated three times to the fourth division.

I've seen the club relegated from the first to the third, then from the first to the fourth, and twice out of the Premier league - so I make it seven relegation’s - and I bitterly hated everyone of them - it always does when you care.

So no I don't hear the moans and groans like you but I've been there believe me - I do fully understand the pain.

Believe me I've seen plenty fans switched off by Bolton Wanderers over the years!


Attendance - If I had a season ticket would I renew it next season - no I wouldn't - and I would not blame anybody that doesn't.

Bolton's my club - but I'm not stupid - if I'm not enjoying the match day experience (note I didn't simply say the game itself) then I would be a fool to keep going.

I would guess if your mates had a good laugh going to the match (despite the way the team plays) you would all still go next season.  It's pretty clear they and you are not - so don't go - I don't subscribe to giving the club my money no matter what - particularly when I keep telling anyone who will listen that they only play to survive in order to get the crucial lifesaving Sky money.

They don't need me or you 118 (well they do but nowhere near as much as they need the Sky income) so don't feel bad about not going until things get more to your liking.

I don't believe much will even if Megson went tomorrow.

I do think now that the club will get one or two key players in - I think relegation may not be knocking quite as much on our door next season and perhaps we could play a little bit more freely and perhaps try a little bit of a cup run maybe.


Sky football

As long as people around the world will pay money to watch United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal - Sky will pay money for the TV rights - it cares nothing to them if the stadium is full or empty.  Indeed I've been to matches where the sides of the grounds where the TV cameras are have been closed - meaning that any fans going to the games have to sit across from the cameras and thus anyone watching on the TV thinks the ground is full when it is actually three quarters empty!

Anyway people watch the big four scoring fantastic goals against some little shíte club or other - well we need to be that shíte club because the money is so fantastic.  So Premiership survival will be the norm for the bottom 8 or 9 teams season after season.  That's the way it is.  It is not Megson's fault.  Please try to understand that.

Calling you a child

Well I thought you were behaving like one.  I’ve no doubt you are too polite as to say what you think I was behaving like when I said it.

Anyway Bolton as one customer who stumps up something like £45 million a year and about 20,000 customers who stump up about £15 million.  If you refuse to accept that the club will do everything in its power to stay in the Premiership no matter how much it pisses people off and to hell with the match day fans who don’t like it - then I see you as a little child who puts their hands over their ears and refuses to listen simply because they don’t like the answer they are getting.

If you can’t face reality then it does not matter if you are 2 or 3, or 23, or even 63 – that is simply the behaviour of someone who is immature.

Megson for manager?

I’m on record as saying we need to go back to playing like Allardyce did with what was left of Allaryce’s team after Lee had ballsed up.  I said the best person available at that time seemed to be Megson (I called him a poor man’s Allardyce) – so I was one of the few who welcomed him to the club I guess.

To be fair he saved us last season when I didn’t think it was possible.  I guess then that it was only right he was allowed to continue our manager this season.  To be fair again if we finished say 14th or better he’s done another good job in my opinion – so yes I’d keep him for next season too.

Does that make me a Megson fan – maybe – but I’m certainly not one of the Megson out morons.

Comment on team and tactics

You’re right – I only like to comment when I see the game for myself – not via TV or a stream – because you can see a whole lot more things than just following the ball like a camera does.

I do believe however that I was the one who posted the reasoning why we (and other clubs) now play a 4-2-3-1 system with two defensive midfield – and why Veloso seemed well suited to this style we currently play.

Incidentally the explanation goes on to say that neither Muamba or McCann  need to fill in, in an attacking role – something you do not seemed to have grasped – hence their lack of goals from them!

Megson out – Allardyce, Coyle, Brown in!

I don’t see the point of sacking the builders for not putting the roof on before they have built the walls!  Megson as bit by bit built the side BUT it is not yet finished.  We need another Centre Back and a ball playing midfielder – which we should get this window.

Once these players are in place we should see a better team – until then I’ll stick by Megson.

Remember the legend that is Shearer has not done anything  to shout about at Newcastle yet so why should one of our old boys be any different (could Sam do it again?).

Conclussion

You’ve obviously got a brain in your head 118 – you also have passion.

At the moment your heart rules your head. 

When the time comes that you begin to see why the club does things instead of feel the pain of what they do – then I don’t doubt you will come to the same way of thinking as I do.

If I’ve offended you in anyway I’m sorry – maybe my heart and passion for the club sometimes burst out in me too and perhaps I shouldn’t say as much as I do.

Please forgive me if that is what I have done with you.


Edit

I've noticed that you had posted whilst I was writing the above.

I just wanted to mention that I saw a stat once (I'll try to find it later) that in 70% of cases the club scoring the first goal goes on to win. 

So not many managers (let alone Megson) are able to influence with team talks, tactics or substitutions the positive outcome to a game after going a goal down.

[Sluffy]

Here it is -

How important is the first goal in domestic matches? Figures from Premier League games during the past 10 seasons in which at least one goal was scored show that in 69% of those matches the team who scored first won. And in 89%, the team who scored first did not lose.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/17/fa-cup-top-six-statistics

[bwfc_Djorkaeff]

Don't get me wrong i do fully understand where you come from on pretty much all of your points. I've had a few matches where i've come out thinking god we're awful but i just come to different conclusions than you. Maybe its a lack of ambition from me but i just don't think he really deserves the sack. Maybe he can't attract the big name players i'm just not sure an owen coyle could. He hardly has a reputation of an alan shearer type around europe so people would want to play for him.

I'm not really a megson in or out person. I wouldn't miss megson should he be sacked or jump for joy i'd just hope we got the right man in next. As for having an impact on games we have very few impact sub type players. Gardner has been used effectively as one of these at times. But besides him the likes of riga havn't had near the desired effect on games when he's come on. Even vaz te if fit has proved he could be a useful sub at times...the end of one season that seems like an age ago.

All in all i'm just ready to give him one more season. If the football does not improve and we only scrape survival finishing 15th downwards playing as badly as we have at times this season i will feel its time for a change. But right now i just think he deserves one more season with abit of backing.