Owen Coyle

[christyldesley]

Here's a prime example of someone who doesn't help themselves. I really like Coyle, I think he wants to play the right kind of football and knows how to get the best out of a varied amount of players.

What you can't explain, is why when he finds a formation that works with his style of play, he then see's a team that is struggling and thinks that he can beat them by attacking (with KD) with a 4-4-2.

Keeping the ball and playing smart attacking play would have seen us come out on top today, the Wigan midfield wouldn't have been able to deal with the creativity of Mark Davies but by playing Kevin Davies, it gave Mavies a more strict role and an average midfield overran him and NRC.

I don't think 'he should go' - I'd rather he came out, expected it was a mistake and used it to help us in the next few games.

[Wiggy]

Was going to go today but something important came up,am I blessed by god or something.Cant not understand Coyle changing the successful formation which we had the past six weeks,his he mentally ill or on drugs I think he lost us the game today and at Norwich last week.Our midfield is not strong enough just to play four,everybody can see that apart from Owen.Does he and Gartside for some reason what us to play in the championship I think there is something going on at club we dont know about. :'( :'( :'(

[christyldesley]

I don't think that there's a conspiracy at the Reebok, just a lack of common sense.

You're right with saying that why change a winning (occasionally) formation and in the sense that our midfield isn't strong enough to deal with only having two men in the middle. If you are going to play two men in the middle, I wouldn't play Mavies there, I'd play Muamba and NRC and reluctantly move Mavies out wide.

I think our main downfall is the real lack of options our wide men give us, which is why we improved second half when Ryo and then even Tuncay came off the bench.

[GarethWilliams]

I don't think 'he should go' - I'd rather he came out, expected it was a mistake and used it to help us in the next few games.

But he wont/cant learn! he is taken this/our club down.

[christyldesley]

Saying he can't learn is a bit of a silly thing to say. He will obviously look at todays game and see that playing a 4-4-2 with Mavies and NRC in the middle, doesn't work.

Otherwise, he wouldn't be a PL manager, would he?

[wanderer6969]

Owen Coyle is a w@nker. It's the only logical conclusion you can come to after witnessing what I did today.

Who are we to criticise his tactics, surely he knows best?  The facts speak for themselves, however.  We've been terrible when we've played 4-4-2 and only got some results when we've played 4-5-1.

However one fan near me in West Lower, shouted at Coyle to get a midfielder on. Coyle turned round and mouthed "Shut the f** up!!!" back to the crowd!

Also when M Davies scored, Coyle walked back to his seat and gave a cocky look back to the crowd and mouthed "B@stard!"  as if to say "told you so".

The reason Davies scored was not because of Coyle's tactics, but because we got a lucky break and Davies then hit a wonder goal.

Coyle blew it and everyone apart from him can see that.  To then come out and criticise the players after his own tactics cost us the game is a sure fire sign that we're doomed.

[CBeebies]

Here's a prime example of someone who doesn't help themselves. I really like Coyle, I think he wants to play the right kind of football and knows how to get the best out of a varied amount of players.

What you can't explain, is why when he finds a formation that works with his style of play, he then see's a team that is struggling and thinks that he can beat them by attacking (with KD) with a 4-4-2.

Keeping the ball and playing smart attacking play would have seen us come out on top today, the Wigan midfield wouldn't have been able to deal with the creativity of Mark Davies but by playing Kevin Davies, it gave Mavies a more strict role and an average midfield overran him and NRC.

I don't think 'he should go' - I'd rather he came out, expected it was a mistake and used it to help us in the next few games.

Agree with everything in this post. Owen lost us three points today, let's hope he accepts he ballsed up from the start. You have to play a formation that suits the players we have at the club.

[christyldesley]

I've heard a lot of people say that Coyle won't learn from this and that he's just going to do the same thing again. Noncese, even if Coyle doesn't have BWFC's best interests at heart, then unless he's got a better job lined up (unlikely) then he'll want to stay in the job and not become unemployed.

Hopefully, the three new lads (Ream, Sordell and Ryo) will get starts against Milwall in the cup, play well and move some of the deadwood out of the team. Lets face it, some players are getting it easy and keeping their places due to lack of numbers (Petrov, Eagles, Ricketts).

Interesting question; who thinks a cup run would benefit us?

[DaveBWFC]

After todays team, formation and substitutions I can't help but feel Coyle is a clueless wanker. He's really pissed me off today. We're in serious shít and he's got to take a lot of the blame. Empty your desk and fúck off Owen.

[christyldesley]

After todays team, formation and substitutions I can't help but feel Coyle is a clueless wanker. He's really pissed me off today. We're in serious shít and he's got to take a lot of the blame. Empty your desk and fúck off Owen.

.. and who would come in a replace him? The only manager I can think of is Steve Bruce, and can take good teams and turn them very average.

[DaveBWFC]

I will replace him.

I could do a better job. ITKFact.

[Manny]

Hopefully, the three new lads (Ream, Sordell and Ryo) will get starts against Milwall in the cup.

Sordell is cup-tied so we'll have to wait another fortnight to see him in action again.

[christyldesley]

It's a shame about Sordell, but thanks to Dave, I will sleep soundly tonight knowing that if Coyle goes, we've got him as back-up.

[Outpost]

Saying he can't learn is a bit of a silly thing to say. He will obviously look at todays game and see that playing a 4-4-2 with Mavies and NRC in the middle, doesn't work.
Otherwise, he wouldn't be a PL manager, would he?

Sorry, Chris. But are you trying to wind everyone up ?
The reason people say that Coyle can't learn is that he's been playing 442, usually with KD up front, we were bottom of the table with a 4-month string of losses and awful performances, and he's learned nothing. Otherwise he wouldn't have gone back to 442 with KD up front today after a mini-recovery with 451.

And just to remind you, he's only a Prem manager because he took Burnley up and left them on their way down again and because we appointed him before he actually took Burnley down. Harsh I know, but facts is facts.

[azreal88]

Coyle seems incapable of understanding that his "beliefs about football" are cancelled out by reality on the pitch.  4-4-2 doesn't work with the players he's putting on the pitch, and probably just doesn't suit the available players.

If we'd have gone 4-5-1 today, and not had their midfield ripping the piss out of us for almost the whole game, we'd probably have won.

But hey, Coyle "believes" in 4-4-2 with two wingers......so it must work.

[bwfcbob123]

I've heard a lot of people say that Coyle won't learn from this and that he's just going to do the same thing again. Noncese

I'm sorry, but saying that Coyle won't learn is nonsense (not noncese), is in itself nonsense. Before we started playing 4-5-1 against Everton, we had 13 points from 19 games. We then switched from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1, and went on to get 7 points from 4 games, against Everton and united away and Liverpool and Arsenal at home. We were on course(ish) to picking up another point against a Norwich side, who are pretty tough to beat at Carrow Road. Then, Mr Coyle decided to bring on BKD for Muamba, changing the formation from 4-5-1 to 4-4-2. Norwich went on to win the match 2-0.

Us fans could see that the change in formation was probably the cause of the team conceding two goals. If we were managers, we would have LEARNT from that and not played it in the next match, which happened to be a six-pointer against one of our local and relegation rivals. But Mr Coyle DIDN'T learn from his mistake, and started the match with a 4-4-2 formation. We proceeded to get absolutely twatted in the first half, by the bottom team in the league. Again, us fans could see that the formation wasn't working, but Mr Coyle didn't. He continued to play it, and we lost 2-1. 4-4-2 was played throughout the match.

Apart from a couple of wins and a draw, we have been shite when we've played 4-4-2. We tried out 4-5-1 and got two wins and a draw against top half sides. To any sane person, 4-5-1 is the blindingly obvious formation to play. Anybody who can't see that is either thick or stubborn. To be honest, I'm not sure which category our pillock of a manager fits into, but I think it probably  begins with a t. I don't he'd know what good tactics are if a gang of them came over to the dugout and beat him into a pulp. So to say that he is going to learn from this diabolical bastard of an error is more stupid than an Owen Coyle substitution. He only learnt from playing 4-4-2 after playing it, and losing, for half a frigging season. Then we do well against some good teams, and he promptly un-learns his lesson and we start fcuking losing again! Yes, he has our best interests at heart, but he's is too much of a clueless get to be able to do anything good for us. Unless he goes, we're relegated. Oh sorry, we're 19th after 25 games, we're already down, and anybody who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

Rant over.

[christyldesley]

Sorry, Chris. But are you trying to wind everyone up ?
The reason people say that Coyle can't learn is that he's been playing 442, usually with KD up front, we were bottom of the table with a 4-month string of losses and awful performances, and he's learned nothing. Otherwise he wouldn't have gone back to 442 with KD up front today after a mini-recovery with 451.

And just to remind you, he's only a Prem manager because he took Burnley up and left them on their way down again and because we appointed him before he actually took Burnley down. Harsh I know, but facts is facts

There would have been a reason why he went 442 today I'm guessing because I very much doubt that he played that formation to pee' everyone off. I'm not saying that he was wrong in playing 442 because he was, what I'm saying is that he'll look at the fact he went back to 442 from the start today and we got overrun in the middle and will try and stop that next game. It'll be too late for today's result I know but.. If we would have come out with a win today (I know we didn't, so it's a silly statement) but if we did, then the 442 wouldn't have been questioned.

The fact you're saying that he's only a PL manager because he brought Burnley up and left them whilst they are going down shows you're ignorance. We wanted a manager who would bring football to the Reebok and with 'his' style of play, that's what we got (occasionally). So, he deserved to get the job when it became available and therefore deserves to be a PL manager.

[DaveBWFC]

Why couldn't he see it happening today then?

He could've changed it but chose not to.

[LightningBolton]

I can just about forgive Coyle for starting with 4-4-2. It wouldn't be my choice (surely start safer with 4-5-1 & switch to 4-4-2 later if we need a goal) but for some reason he's addicted to the formation. However well we play in 4-5-1 his ultimate goal is to have a 4-4-2 team & if you can't play it at home against the bottom club when can you play it?

What is inexcusable is his refusal to change it when its clearly not working & him seemingly forgetting the results & how well we've played with 4-5-1 recently. Keeping Davies on for so long was laughable too.

I'm also really surprised at what wanderer6969 is saying. I never had Coyle down for that kind of thing (being a devout Christian & all). If he's resorting to that & carries on with 4-4-2 perhaps he is actually losing his mind!

I want him to stay (its not as if there's a chance of him leaving anyway) & I still think we'll stay up. I just can't understand why he seems to want to make such hard work of it by being stubborn.

[Wiggy]

Another thing is why he started again with Kevin Davies with our top scorer and our new 4 million signing on the bench.Davies  is badly out of form. It looks like the bottom five are being cut off from the rest of the league.Happy Christmas to Wigan,they got a big present from Owen today.  

[christyldesley]

I'm not saying we should be playing 442!

What I'm saying is, there would have been a reason that he went with what he did today. If he doesn't like Muamba and that's why he was dropped then fair enough, Coyle's a dick, but until that's proven, he's gone into a game with an attacking formation (all be it with KD) against a club sitting bottom of the league and it's not worked.

Sorry about my spelling mistakes, sir.

[DaveBWFC]

I'm not saying we should be playing 442!

What I'm saying is, there would have been a reason that he went with what he did today. If he doesn't like Muamba and that's why he was dropped then fair enough, Coyle's a dick, but until that's proven, he's gone into a game with an attacking formation (all be it with KD) against a club sitting bottom of the league and it's not worked.

Sorry about my spelling mistakes, sir.

Yes and I'm saying why couldn't he see, like we all did, that it wasn't working today? Why didn't he change formation and bring Muamba on?

[christyldesley]

Why couldn't he see it happening today then?

He could've changed it but chose not to.

After making the mistake and going a goal down, I personally thought he could only put his foot in it more. He could change it and go 451 but that would give us less up front, but if he kept it the same, we would be left exposed in middle. Fighting a losing battle from the off.

[wanderer6969]

Owen Coyle is a w@nker. It's the only logical conclusion you can come to after witnessing what I did today.

Who are we to criticise his tactics, surely he knows best?  The facts speak for themselves, however.  We've been terrible when we've played 4-4-2 and only got some results when we've played 4-5-1.

However one fan near me in West Lower, shouted at Coyle to get a midfielder on. Coyle turned round and mouthed "Shut the f** up!!!" back to the crowd!

Also when M Davies scored, Coyle walked back to his seat and gave a cocky look back to the crowd and mouthed "B@stard!"  as if to say "told you so".

The reason Davies scored was not because of Coyle's tactics, but because we got a lucky break and Davies then hit a wonder goal.

Coyle blew it and everyone apart from him can see that.  To then come out and criticise the players after his own tactics cost us the game is a sure fire sign that we're doomed.

[DaveBWFC]

I can't believe you're trying to stick up for him Chris. The guy has proven today what a clueless and stubborn twat he really is. I hate the cúnt right now and would punch his lights out if I seen him. He's taking our great club down.