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« Reply #25 on: 03 February 2012, 08:25 PM »

Personally, I don't think this is the right move. What happen now IF he is found innocent? The FA should have stood behind their captain UNTIL the verdict, in my opinion.
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« Reply #26 on: 03 February 2012, 08:26 PM »

Suarez said a word that loosely translates to little black man
In the Americas, north and southern spanish, this is not a racist or derogatory word (they are almost different languishes)
There is another word that can be used to imply race
What Terry said is in no doubt racist no matter what context it was used in

Oh and there are both pricks
Just one is a hater one is a diver
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« Reply #27 on: 03 February 2012, 08:40 PM »

Serves John Terry right anyhow. Somehow gets his trial adjourned until July because he's a spoilt brat footballer and it backfires on him.
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« Reply #28 on: 03 February 2012, 08:53 PM »

Personally, I don't think this is the right move. What happen now IF he is found innocent? The FA should have stood behind their captain UNTIL the verdict, in my opinion.

Then he shouldn't have shouted "you black bastard" for all to see on television.

The only thing up for debate is the context. His excuse is he said something like "Oi, Anton, I didn't say you black bastard".

Awful excuse, but that's what he's going with (whoever told him to use that excuse stiched him up worse than with the Bridge case). He has a really bad set of advisors!

The FA HAD to act. The worst case scenario is he is found innocent and an 'innocent' man had the captaincy taken off him.

And the FA's reaction to that is quite easy; 'shouldn't have said what you did, it's your own fault'.

If the FA let Terry captian England in a major international tournement and it comes out he's guilty of racism then that reflects far far worse on them.
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« Reply #29 on: 04 February 2012, 03:44 AM »

Then he shouldn't have shouted "you black bastard" for all to see on television.

The only thing up for debate is the context. His excuse is he said something like "Oi, Anton, I didn't say you black bastard".

Awful excuse, but that's what he's going with (whoever told him to use that excuse stiched him up worse than with the Bridge case). He has a really bad set of advisors!

The FA HAD to act. The worst case scenario is he is found innocent and an 'innocent' man had the captaincy taken off him.

And the FA's reaction to that is quite easy; 'shouldn't have said what you did, it's your own fault'.

If the FA let Terry captian England in a major international tournement and it comes out he's guilty of racism then that reflects far far worse on them.


As I was reading the thread, ^^^ that's what I was thinking too.  You've just saved me the time typing it.

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« Reply #30 on: 06 February 2012, 01:29 AM »

Suarez said a word that loosely translates to little black man
In the Americas, north and southern spanish, this is not a racist or derogatory word (they are almost different languishes)
There is another word that can be used to imply race
What Terry said is in no doubt racist no matter what context it was used in

Oh and there are both pricks
Just one is a hater one is a diver

Have to disagree here. Read the FA report on the Suarez investigation & you'll see that's not what transpired.

This post shows the problem.

We all read/hear/see snippets of information in the press & assume we know everything we need to to make a judgement. What Suarez said could actually be construed as being more racialist than Terry. "I kicked you because you are black". "I don't talk to blacks" etc. over a period of a few minutes. Terry has allegedly made a a racist comment in the heat of the moment (not right of course but not an explicit admission that he would discriminate against / sees himself as superior to all black people as in the Suarez case).

Of course, footballers should be the same as normal employees who'd be suspended pending investigations etc. The  FA should bring in this rule, but currently they don't have it.
However, if he was a normal employee this would not be going to court anyway. It would be a civil matter. At most if you did it in the street you would get a caution. No expensive investigation & court case.

The only way he should have been stripped of the captaincy would be if Capello thought it was the best thing to do for the team. Even knowing  the adverse press coverage there would be he still thought Terry was the best person to lead the country (he will still be the leader in the dressing room anyway).

Jimbo, if it reflects so badly on the FA to have him as captain does it not reflect badly enough if he appears at the tournament at all? Or is that ok? Surely it has to be one or the other. We'll stick by him and see so leave him as captain or we don't want a racist prick in the England squad at all.

This halfway step just comes across as weak & shows how crap the FA is. It wouldn't be so bad if they'd done it as soon as he was charged but they're so pathetic they hoped it would be taken out of their hands instead of being strong, decisive & sorting it themselves like they should have done.

I've looked at the footage numerous times (you can still find it if you look). I have my views but I can't be 100% sure that Terry's version of events are not accurate & neither can anyone else. Cole's testimony will be key. Yes the CPS feel there's enough evidence to bring a case but they've done that in plenty of cases where the accused was ultimately found innocent.

You can't blame Terry for not stepping down, especially if he genuinely believes he is innocent, as it would have been seen as a tacit admission of guilt.

Whatever you think of him (I'm not sure he's any worse than most footballers) we have a due process of law in this country that we should stick to. Innocent until proven guilty in court (not just by ill-informed members of the public.)

However, I do feel the judge should have insisted on the court case being held sooner.
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« Reply #31 on: 08 February 2012, 10:31 AM »

If this was a different issue that he was due in court for, they would never have removed him from the captaincy. Typical PC effort by the FA to pander to dickheads, until he is found Guilty they should leave everything as it is.
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« Reply #32 on: 08 February 2012, 03:50 PM »

If this was a different issue that he was due in court for, they would never have removed him from the captaincy. Typical PC effort by the FA to pander to dickheads, until he is found Guilty they should leave everything as it is.

I love it how people blame everything on Political Correctness these days.

I hate Political Correctness. But this case has nothing to do with it. It's to do with racism. If I was accused of calling someone what John Terry is accused of calling someone at work, I'd be suspended for it until it was resolved. It'd be gross misconduct.

Footballers need to realise that just because they are multi-millionaires and idolised by fans, they don't exist in a bubble and that the law applies to them when they are on a football pitch.

The issue for me is that he should be banned from playing, never mind just the captaincy. HIS legal team delayed the hearing from March until July. I don't want a racist representing my country. I'd rather it was resolved as soon as possible, so that he could resume playing and being captain if he is found not guilty. If he wants to try and be clever and put his trial off until after Euro 2012 so he can be captain, then it's backfired, and quite rightly so.
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« Reply #33 on: 08 February 2012, 03:54 PM »

Can't just say it's because of racism either and if it was something else it wouldn't have been made into such a big issue.

They took the captaincy off him for sleeping with a teammates ex-wife...!
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« Reply #34 on: 09 February 2012, 06:04 PM »

Who cares he,s a twat.
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