Terry Stripped of Captaincy

[Squidgy]

About bloody time.

Possibly the worst FA ever.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16162263

[aarons2009]

I'm not Terrys biggest fan but why has he had his captaincy removed when he hasn't even been found guilty...yet.

Personally couldn't really care less as I think he is too old to be our main centre back in the Euros but what happened to ''innocent until proven guilty''

[DaveBWFC]

He's guilty. Have you not seen the footage?

You don't have to be a lip reading expert to know what he's saying.

He's also a cúnt from a family of cúnts so I have no sympathy for the racist cúnt.

[aarons2009]

He's guilty. Have you not seen the footage?

To be honest with you, no I havent, just the pictures of him during the game.

I suppose it must have been pretty clear cut for him to be even taken to court over it.

[DaveBWFC]

It was on Youtube after it happened. Not sure if it's still on there now.

But it's very clear what he's saying.

[bangerhard]

He's guilty. Have you not seen the footage?

You don't have to be a lip reading expert to know what he's saying.

He's also a cúnt from a family of cúnts so I have no sympathy for the racist cúnt.

Has he found guilty by the media?

Yes, he has

Has he been found guilty in a courtroom?  Has he been found guilty by a majority verdict of the 12 members of the jury?

In both cases, no he hasn't

I cannot stand the prick, but in this great country of ours the judiciary system is seen as the best in the world were people people are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.  As this as not yet happened, fanny Terry is still innocent in the eyes of the law and as such be treated as an innocent until the verdict is given.

[Paul Comstive]

He's not been found guilty (yet?) therefore he should not have been stripped of the captaincy.

Dave, you say you've seen the footage.  I have also seen the footage.  I have also heard Terry's 'side' of the story.  If you had then you'd realise that you cannot simply say he's guilty from what you have lip-read from Youtube.

I hope to God if ever I stand trial for anything then you're not on the jury, especially as you're evidently convinced so easily.

For what it's worth, I actually think he's a horrible specimen of a human being.

[azreal88]

I'm all for awaiting the result of a trial, but it's not necessary for this.  If he were being sacked from his job, fine; but he isn't.  He can still be selected for England and is still playing for his club.  The issue is that he is currently involved in a lot of public speculation and scandal, and is therefore not suited to lead his country out.

Someone with a bit more class would have stepped down, to preserve the dignity of the position; regardless of guilt or innocence.

[largehat]

I hunted for the footage shortly after the alleged incident and couldn't find it - I would like to see it though.

Those who are saying innocent until proven guilty are absolutely right, but we're not talking about convicting him of a crime without a fair trial in front of a judge and a jury of his peers. We're talking about the England Euro campaign not being overshadowed by discussions about its captain, whether guilty or innocent.

In most jobs, if you'd allegedly done what Terry was alleged to have done, you'd be suspended while under investigation for gross misconduct. That is not a disciplinary sanction. Lets remember that. At least Terry can still play.

What we don't want is every press conference being about Terry.

My personal opinion of the guy is not very favourable, but he is our best centre back and I want him playing his best.

[DaveBWFC]

Dave, you say you've seen the footage.  I have also seen the footage.  I have also heard Terry's 'side' of the story.  If you had then you'd realise that you cannot simply say he's guilty from what you have lip-read from Youtube.

I've heard his side of the story. I don't believe him though.

Judge Dave finds him guilty.

And that's all that matters on Planet Dave.

[Squidgy]

If there are grounds to charge him in such a high profile case, then surely there are grounds to suspend him from holding the captaincy?

Seems a fairly black and white situation to me, if you'll pardon the pun.

[Paul Comstive]

I've heard his side of the story. I don't believe him though.

Judge Dave finds him guilty.

And that's all that matters on Planet Dave.

Can't argue with that


Squidgy - he's been charged.  That doesn't mean he's been found guilty.  To suspend him would be a punishment.  How, or why, should he be punished if we don;t know if he's guilty or not?

[largehat]

Paul - when employers suspend people it is NOT a punishment. It is done to protect the company, the employee, and the investigation process. It is not a sanction in any way.

We also need to remember that it is Terry's legal team who requested that the case was heard after Euro 2012 - the judge wanted to do it in March.

[Paul Comstive]

Fair enough, I see your point and by and large you're right.

... however, I would argue that being a footballer isn't your normal job ... which has been proven by the date of the trial being set AFTER the Euros.

The judge, IMO, should've insisted it be done in March.

I'm just trying to put myself into Terry's shoes and if I had been accused of soemthing I knew I hadn;t done and was stripped of the captaincy of my country I'd be distraught.

We need to forget that Terry is a cnut and should assume him innocent until it is PROVEN otherwise.  Proof, btw, is not amateur lip-reading courtesy of Youtube footage whilst refusing to believe his reasons...

[CJ Bwfc]

The favourites to be the next England captain are Stevie "I beat up DJ's when they don't play my favourite songs" Gerrard and Rio "I snorted a line of coke and then skipped a drug test to avoid being caught" Ferdinand. Although to be fair, the latter has said he don't want it.

^Role models for our nations kids^

[aarons2009]

The favourites to be the next England captain are Stevie "I beat up DJ's when they don't play my favourite songs" Gerrard and Rio "I snorted a line of coke and then skipped a drug test to avoid being caught" Ferdinand. Although to be fair, the latter has said he don't want it.

^Role models for our nations kids^

Aye great role models the pair of them, It's got disaster written all over it if any of them 2 had the armband, would be like handing keys over to hitler for a butlins holiday camp......you know it won't work.

[largehat]

I'd give it to Gareth Barry.

EDIT: I mean the England captaincy of course.

[aarons2009]

Joe Hart for me, consistant, commands his area and not afraid to bollock his back 4.

[Paul Comstive]

I'd give it to Gareth Barry.

EDIT: I mean the England captaincy of course.

He's not a regular now though is he?  Hasn't Scott "Scotty" Parker taken his place in the side now?

It's a bit worrying how few options there are.  The only ones who (apart from Hart) can be relied upon to be fit and/or to be picked are Ashley Cole and Wayne Rooney .. and they're both cnuts too.

If Gerrard can manage to stay fit it should be him who is made captain.  That's a big if though as it's not soemthing he's been able to do for the last couple of years now.

[azreal88]

Hart is a good shout.

[Manny]

The media always seem to throw something into the spotlight a few months before a big tournament. Why the sudden urge to strip him of the captaincy? Why didn't they try to get this done when the incident actually happened.

John Terry may not be the ideal rolemodel but look at the other big names in the England squad, they're hardly the biggest rolemodels either. If he is found guilty and The FA offer him the captaincy again, he should tell them to stick it and retire from international football.

[azreal88]

If he is found guilty

Not?

[largehat]

The media always seem to throw something into the spotlight a few months before a big tournament. Why the sudden urge to strip him of the captaincy? Why didn't they try to get this done when the incident actually happened.

Because the FA were under the impression that the case would be concluded before the tournament, and Terry's lawyers had the judge agree to hear it afterwards, that's why.

[Manny]

Not?

Good spot Eagle Eyes!

[Squidgy]

Squidgy - he's been charged.  That doesn't mean he's been found guilty.  To suspend him would be a punishment.  How, or why, should he be punished if we don;t know if he's guilty or not?

There is no way the OB/CPS would touch a case like that without fairly damning evidence.

That aside, the FA can always spend a couple of hundred quid out of their coffers and do exactly what the prosecution will do - hire a few independent lip readers. They also have the right as the governing body to fully investigate it, but bricked it as he was one of the England 'luvvies'. Didn't stop them fúcking Suarez over.