The Reason Why Coyle Should NOT Be Sacked

[mattya93]

Evening fellow Wanderers.

Recently there has been so much negativity I find myself being unable to believe that we dont have someone like Megson is in charge.  When all of us heard Owen would be our manager we were delighted, overjoyed that someone so passionate and loyal about this club would manage us, someone able to unite the fans, bring entertainment back to the 'bok, something Megson failed to do.  So whats changed?  Now some bad form and all of you are calling for his head? Fickle or just talking sense?

I agree on a variety of points many raise, his team selections at times, have been poor, but really, what other teams would you play?  Many were complaining about Pratley at winger, would you rather us play Petrov, a player whos inability to cover his wing back is obvious for all to see.  We have that many problems at the moment, no manager could change us.  Look at Coyles interview today, you will find it very hard to see a man who takes so much pride and effort into the management of Bolton, you wont find that sort of dedication from any manager around.  The fact is, injuries are killing us.  Losing Holden is such a massive blow to us.  Added to that the fact mistakes from players such as Boyata cost us games, its clear to see why we have so many problems.  Coyle already is doing things about this to change us in January.

We have 3 winnable games, 2 of which i am convinced we will win.  Getting rid of a man so passionate and dedicated to us will not address our problems.  The problems lie with not just injuries, but key members not stepping up to the plate.  Its a matter of time until Owen ships this dead wood out and replaces it with fresher young talent.  So just get behind the team, believe it or not we have good players, arguably one of the better squads in the lower half and I know Owen will turn things around.

Tomorrow I will be there, as will many of you.  Lets all get behind the team, sing our hearts out and sing for Owen.  Come on you whites, come on three points

[exile in bolton]

Not sure I agree with your points for sticking with your manager,but respect your opions all the same.
Its good to see that kind of support whether its misplaced or not,there are a few on here who could
try to live up to your example.Nice one

[Jamster26]

I appreciate your optimism, Matt. I agree, I think we have been severely hampered by injuries to key players, which like I said in the other thread, is really exposing Coyle's faults, at the moment.

It is a results' business at the end of the day; regardless of the manager in charge. Owen Coyle comes across like a really nice guy who has the best interests for the club at heart, but honestly, if he can't get the points, then he will, and should, be sacked.

After saying that, if we win tommorrow, then who knows. Perhaps it will be the catalyst for us. However, we all thought that after we destroyed Stoke at our place.

Good post though.

[Gloria Stitz]

Fickle or just talking sense?

Just talking sense. Certainly in my case anyway.

No amount of singing will bring results. Only appropriate squad rotations by Owen Coyle will do that. There's only so much his bad luck with injuries can excuse.

Our problems start with the continual selection of Kevin Davies who offers us nothing, yet he is one of the very few players that's fallen victim to Coyle's policy of constant rotation.

Thanks for reading,

Gloria.

EDIT: As mentioned by others, good post though. Its your opinion - stick to it!

[DaveBWFC]

Now some bad form and all of you are calling for his head? Fickle or just talking sense?

Nothing fickle about it after the last 20 games. I don't think any other manager in the league would still be in a job if they'd had the results we've had.

[mattya93]

Just talking sense. Certainly in my case anyway.

No amount of singing will bring results. Only appropriate squad rotations by Owen Coyle will do that. There's only so much his bad luck with injuries can excuse.

Our problems start with the continual selection of Kevin Davies who offers us nothing, yet he is one of the very few players that's fallen victim to Coyle's policy of constant rotation.

Thanks for reading,

Gloria.

EDIT: As mentioned by others, good post though. Its your opinion - stick to it!

Nothing fickle about it after the last 20 games. I don't think any other manager in the league would still be in a job if they'd had the results we've had.

I accept both these points but firstly look at our beggining fixtures, also at the back end of last season we had pretty much nothing to play for thus concentration slightly shifted in my opinion.  I just think that with a victory at Ewood park our season will kick start, you saw the performance against Stoke, would the team really battle that hard if they werent behind Owen?

I agree KD hasnt been in the best form and arguably i think a N'Gog and Klas partnership might be a bit better, but even I, as not one of his biggest fans, can accept in a game like tomorrow one key header of his on a set piece could get us the three points.  I reckon heel be up for the fight tomorrow.

[H. Pedersen]

Look at Coyles interview today, you will find it very hard to see a man who takes so much pride and effort into the management of Bolton, you wont find that sort of dedication from any manager around.

That's nice but at the end of the day results matter more.  Nobody in football fits the term "mercenary" better than Sam Allardyce but I'd take him over Coyle in a heartbeat.

[mattya93]

Results obviously matter, but how would getting a manager less passionate about the club influence results.  He cant wave his magic wand and suddenly our injuries disappear and players wont make mistakes.  We were playing fine up until Boyata cost it us at Fulham, just have faith

[H. Pedersen]

Results obviously matter, but how would getting a manager less passionate about the club influence results.

He could get the defense organized and talking.  He could have us prepared better to defend set pieces.  He could change the formation when it is wise to do so.  He could stop playing Mark Davies on the wing.  He could drop Kevin Davies.

Coyle's passion will not win over the players if they are convinced, as many of us are, that he doesn't really know what he's doing.  How is David Ngog supposed to get himself pumped up for a game when he knows he's going to be on the bench watching Kevin Davies struggle?

[Weststander]

Seems to me there's a couple of camps-

Those that support Owen Coyle and the development of his career

Those that support BWFC.

At the moment I don't think it's possible to be in both.

[Le God]

IMO the opportunity to sack him and stay up has passed.

the only thing i want now is to see at least two 100% committed performances this season.

[H. Pedersen]

Seems to me there's a couple of camps-

Those that support Owen Coyle and the development of his career

Those that support BWFC.

At the moment I don't think it's possible to be in both.

Not sure I agree with that.  I personally don't see how anyone can think Owen Coyle is the way forward for BWFC, but I don't assume those that do are more interested in his career than in their club.

[Keegan]

As much as I like SKD, I don't think he should be starting games. I expect him to do so tomorrow though - and if he does, heel score.

[Weststander]

Not sure I agree with that.  I personally don't see how anyone can think Owen Coyle is the way forward for BWFC, but I don't assume those that do are more interested in his career than in their club.

You're speaking to the converted here, I would have dumped him weeks ago. It just seems that those that still support him do it for non football reasons- nice bloke, loves the club. If that's the only criteria then give me the job.

[CanadianWanderer]

Anyone think we need to bring in some help for Owen, an older head perhaps to help him out of a tricky situaltion. We need a defensive smart ass who can at least stop us leaking goals. All that said I can't think of the person who fits this criteria.

[H. Pedersen]

Anyone think we need to bring in some help for Owen, an older head perhaps to help him out of a tricky situaltion. We need a defensive smart ass who can at least stop us leaking goals. All that said I can't think of the person who fits this criteria.

I don't see this as a viable solution.  Why would anyone with the talent to shape up our defense want to come in as Coyle's no. 2?  Even if we could get someone like that, his presence would immediately undermine Coyle's authority (if he has any left) and make him a dead man walking.

[Big_Sharps]

Seems to me there's a couple of camps-

Those that support Owen Coyle and the development of his career

Those that support BWFC.

At the moment I don't think it's possible to be in both.

Don't talk bollocks.

[LightningBolton]

He could get the defense organized and talking.  He could have us prepared better to defend set pieces.  He could change the formation when it is wise to do so.  He could stop playing Mark Davies on the wing.  He could drop Kevin Davies.

Coyle's passion will not win over the players if they are convinced, as many of us are, that he doesn't really know what he's doing.  How is David Ngog supposed to get himself pumped up for a game when he knows he's going to be on the bench watching Kevin Davies struggle?

Spot on.

Coyle has some great qualities but his stubbornness or blindness is pretty staggering. His formations & tactics are incredibly naive at times & there are seemingly obvious better alternatives he refuses to try.

We don't know what goes on in training so he sees things we don't but performances on the pitch suggest that either:
 
-the players have little belief in him & so aren't doing what they're being coached in training or
-that what they're being coached in training is dogshite or
-the players are dogshite anyway & you can't polish a turd
-or all 3.

Any way you look at it most of that is down to either Coyle or his coaching staff. Coyle won't sack anyone which is a shame because he could benefit from having a fearsome No. 2 (snigger snigger). My ideal outcome would be for Coyle to see the error of his ways & make some obvious changes, maybe get new coaches, to improve performances & morale etc.

However he seems so stubborn/blind & the players so unresponsive that I think the only way that could happen would be for him to be willing to have someone that he could learn from, like Mark Hughes, come in temporarily. He could show Coyle what's actually supposed to go on in training & what tactics are etc. No chance of that happening.

If its another poor performance at Blackburn he really has no more excuses.

[Paul Comstive]

So whats changed?  Now some bad form and all of you are calling for his head? Fickle or just talking sense?

I'd say virtually a full calendar year of bad form, not just 'some'.

Had Chelsea not kindly loaned us Sturridge last season then we might well already be in the Championship.  His goals papered over a lot of cracks.

Also, since then turn of the year I can't remember too many games where the football we offered can be described as entertaining.

Even under Megson there was the odd game where we played some decent stuff.

I like Coyle, I think he comes across as a likeable chap.  Maybe that's the problem though.  There seems to be no discipline and the players don't look like they are fighting for him.

I want him to turn things around.  He just doesn't look capable though.

I hope I'm wrong and I hope I witness a huge U-turn tonight.

[GarethWilliams]

The reasons for him to be sacked far outweigh the reasons to keep him, I sincerley hope I am wrong.

[Outpost]

Coyle wasn't my first choice of manager at the time, but his appointment seemd a positive step and I hoped it would work out. But I can't understand any of the lingering optimism after the last 12 months.

Not only have the results been disastrous, the performances practically universally dire, the 4-4-2 system a failure, team selections & substitutions mystifying but on the odd occasions we've grabbed a win ................ there's no follow-up.

After the Wembley fiasco, we beat Arsenal; great, let's finish 8th in style. No, we had 5 losses in a row.

Important to start the season with a win at QPR; 4-0, great; decent performance against City then plunged into 5 defeats.

Big big game at Wigan; win 3-1; great, let's get the season on track; no, more defeats & poor displays.

Shock 5-0 win at home to Stoke; great, just what we needed; let's get going. No, defeat after defeat with miserable performances.

Am I seeing something different ?

[GarethWilliams]

Coyle wasn't my first choice of manager at the time, but his appointment seemd a positive step and I hoped it would work out. But I can't understand any of the lingering optimism after the last 12 months.

Not only have the results been disastrous, the performances practically universally dire, the 4-4-2 system a failure, team selections & substitutions mystifying but on the odd occasions we've grabbed a win ................ there's no follow-up.

After the Wembley fiasco, we beat Arsenal; great, let's finish 8th in style. No, we had 5 losses in a row.

Important to start the season with a win at QPR; 4-0, great; decent performance against City then plunged into 5 defeats.

Big big game at Wigan; win 3-1; great, let's get the season on track; no, more defeats & poor displays.

Shock 5-0 win at home to Stoke; great, just what we needed; let's get going. No, defeat after defeat with miserable performances.

Am I seeing something different ?

No you are seeing exactly the same as I am.

[Natasha Whittam]

Getting rid of a man so passionate and dedicated to us will not address our problems. 

Yes it will. You have to start somewhere, why not with the man who picks the team and is paid £1m per year to motivate them.

The support for Coyle is based simply on sentiment. He's a crap manager, useless leader, and has brought some of the worst players to the club I have seen since we arrived in the Prem.

[Gloria Stitz]

Hi Outpost. I must admit to thoroughly enjoying that post as it addressed so many of my frustrations.

I'd like to refer you to my first ever post on BA, in which I spoke about Coyle never changing winning sides. The reason we can never piece good results together is Coyle is too naive to understand that the side that won the previous match, won't necessarily not get dicked in the following one. To him, its a case of Why change a good thing? There's no room for that mentality at this level.

Thanks for reading,

Gloria.