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bangerhard
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« Reply #7 on: 10 December 2011, 11:08 AM » |
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Do you think it is a bit strange that the Daily Mail NEVER mentions how much we spend on keeping a so-called Empire, under the terminology of Commonwealth. The fact is the UK spends approx GBP 120 million a day on keeping a facde going and virtually not getting anything back. Especially as most of our Commonwealth do not trade aor do very little trade with us - their major markets are China, Asia and the US. That is more than double on what we spend on the EU. But they are more than happy on tyelling us about the bad points of being in the EU! And what about how much we spend on being members of the UN which is approx GBP75 million a day for what? so that we are just the lap-dogs of the US!!!
Another problem are the international markets - do you think that China, currently the biggest market in the wrold, will trade with the UK alone, considering how much they are investing into the EU? What about Asia? They normally follow China. Australia's biggest market partner is also China followed by asia and the US and very little trade with UK alone. US are having a laugh with us and always have done and continually lump us with Europe. Currently Obama does very little with Cameron because the politics are different. They may be our so-called "cousins" but interestingly the US does more trade with Russia, than us, the rest of the EU and even China.
At one single "no" we have become isolated but we do not have industry or skills to be isolated. My own personal thought is that it is going to be tough next few years going it alone.
Not trying to defend the EU here, although it is the better value for money than the UN or the Commonwealth, or any other international "club" we are part of, put together.
The problem the UK now has is that we export more to our EU neighbours than any other international market. How much more tougher is that going to be, or even how much more expensive is it going to be? The pound will inevitably get stronger but that is going to cost us export wise as goods become more expensive to sell, how many people will visit the UK as it will become more expensive to visit? So from a British miopic point of view it is always good to stand up to our European, especially the Germans neighbours but at what cost to us?
Our finances are minutely linked to those of the EU members due to the amount of trade we have. Basically what happens in the EU, and connecting countries, will inevitably happen in the UK - even as just neighbours, if we were not part of the EU, if the EU suffer we will undoubtedly suffer.
Another point which is not mentioned, are the oil pipelines - they go through the EU, if we are not members how much more will we have to spend on getting oil - there is no point saying we have oil, our oil is far to coarse to be turned into fuel, petrol or diesel hence we have it piped and shipped in. How much more is it going to cost the UK now that we are no longer part of the inner-sanctum.
Finally the Banks and Bankers (aka The City) - they are primiarily the ones that brought us to where we are by gambling with people's money. Cameron has defended them, why??? They should be taxed and made to pay for what they have caused since the world finance collapse of 2007. If it was the fear of Banks moving out of Europe, or even out of the UK where the Banks provide about 60% of our GDP! - why would they do that, why would the Banks not have a presence in a major market - complete nonsense. Tax or no tax Banks would be stupid to miss out on a major market, thus creating profits and more dividends for their shareholders. Therefore with this bit Cameron has basically said the Banks can carry on with what they have done for the last 30 years - gambling with no come-back!!! In fact it is this bit that has well and truly got me pissed off - as Banks, and the city Bankers, are not paying for what they have done - no law changes to protect people's monies, no new taxation against them, and no regulations. It is now only a matter of time before the Banks destroy British finances completely, unless legislation is created to stop them!
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