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Money is only part of the answer. But of course it is a huge part. We definitely need to spend big in January to beat the drop. Our current crop of players are definitely not up to the job.
We need a keeper, a left back, a left mid, a centre mid and a striker. That is only 5 players needed. We also need to keep Boyata and let Kakuta go back to Chelski. That means we can bring in another loan for one position from the Premier League. I would be tempted to stick in a young pacey striker as a loan option but I would be tempted even more to find an out of favour older, experienced player to bring in as a loanee.
Bogdan and Jussi are weak links in goal - and a weak goalie at Bolton is something we are not used to and certainly cannot afford to carry.
Our left flank is also ultra weak and we cannot rely on Robinson, Gardner, Alonso and Petrov to keep us tight in that area. Between the four of them there is not a combination which works.
Centre mid is over run every week for us. We do not have a single player (perhaps other than Holden) who has a case for a guaranteed starting spot every week. And when we do decide to shore up midfield on the rare occasion Coyle goes with 5 men we don't have enough pace or ingenuity up top to create any danger. We need a centre mid who will be in there every week pulling the strings and making things work.
Up front we have nothing to frighten the opposition. Davies is too slow and immobile and does not give us the dimension he once did. Klasnic is lazy but effective in front of goal. He passes well but spends far too long out of games to be a real threat - especially when paired with Davies. And Ngog, despite the odd glimpse of promise, has done nothing to really bed into the team and give us any hope.
If we come out of the January window with one loan and a bargain buy to save our season then I will not be impressed and I will be convinced that the club do not intend to stay up, or at least don't intend to do enough about it to give us a real chance.
Any suggestions.
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Le God
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« Reply #1 on: 29 November 2011, 07:24 PM » |
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better management, better players, better tactics, higher football IQ, better training techniques, better fitness, fewer injuries etc etc.
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Natasha Whittam
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« Reply #2 on: 29 November 2011, 07:27 PM » |
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Any suggestions.
Dean Windass? |
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H. Pedersen
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« Reply #3 on: 29 November 2011, 07:54 PM » |
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We need a manager who is going to be able to organize the defense, stop the retarded red cards, and get everyone working their asses off like they used to do in the Big Sam days.
In the other thread we were talking about the 2-0 win over Liverpool where Speed scored the free kick. That was won with a couple of semi-lucky goals and a whole bunch of heroic defending.
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« Reply #4 on: 29 November 2011, 08:59 PM » |
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Without going over the same old ground again we need to start picking up points with more or less the team that we have got now.
That's down to the manager to figure out how to do that.
I've not believed for some time now that our current manager as the ability to do that.
So imo we need someone who can - and the sooner the better.
Let me put that into some context.
If we need say 40 points to stay up - and we have 9 from the 13 games played so far - then we need 31 points from the remaining 25 games of the season.
In our previous 25 games we managed just 22!
It took us THIRTY-FIVE matches to pick up our last 31 points (well 32 points actually).
It simply is not good enough and this run stretches well before the Stoke semi game - in fact back to last December when we beat Blackburn at home.
Seems obvious to me what our problem is - I just can't believe nothing as been done about it long before now?
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Abdul-Salam Bilal
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« Reply #5 on: 29 November 2011, 09:05 PM » |
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I want us to go down, I hate Premier League football! I wish we were in League One so we could knock the Reebok down and built a new ground out of the remnants of Dale Farm. Imagine the atmosphere we could generate. My corporate chums and I would think that to be spiffing.
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« Reply #6 on: 29 November 2011, 09:18 PM » |
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We need the players to take some responsibility and step up,the manager to open his eyes and see Davies isnt a starting player anymore,petrov is gash,robinson cannot play against anybody with pace,we are wank at 4-4-2 and need to try other formations and finally gartside to find some money and realise that the sun doesnt shine out of coyles arse and at the minute hes actually quite shíte.
Oh and it wouldnt go a miss for coyle to see that there sometimes isnt any positives at all,actually the players were just fcuking crap.
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jayjay23
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« Reply #7 on: 29 November 2011, 09:26 PM » |
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Hey some great thinking points... I am impressed.
So basically the players, coaches, manager and board are all useless. Who is it up to to sort out?
Why can we all see that the poor discipline needs to be stopped. Certain other managers would not allow it - why can Coyle not put the fear of god into them? Why can Coyle not see that our coaching/training methods are not doing us any good.
Would it be poor of a manager to say look, this is not working, I am brining in Rioch/ Brown/ Lee or even someone better to help coach the squad etc. Would this ever happen?
There are basic tactical and coaching errors that we can all see and agree on so why can the management not see it or be seen to be acting on it? It's so frustrating!
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« Reply #9 on: 29 November 2011, 09:35 PM » |
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We need a better defensive coach to get them working as a unit, rumours abound that Bruce will be available soon.
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jayjay23
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« Reply #10 on: 29 November 2011, 10:12 PM » |
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Bruce, as in Rioch?
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H. Pedersen
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« Reply #11 on: 29 November 2011, 10:27 PM » |
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Tomr pretty much nailed it.
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Abdul-Salam Bilal
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« Reply #12 on: 29 November 2011, 11:29 PM » |
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Bruce, as in Rioch?
No. Willis. |
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« Reply #13 on: 30 November 2011, 03:50 PM » |
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Plenty off this.  and then this.  |
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Back row: Ron Phillips, Alan Boswell, John Ritson, Peter Clarke, John Hulme, Paul Jones..
Middle row: Eddie Hopkinson (Trainer), Charlie Hurley, Roy Greaves, Gareth Williams, Don McAllister, Paul Hallows, Arthur Marsh, John Manning, Jim Conway (Coach).
Front row: Warwick Rimmer, John Byrom, Paul Fletcher, Garry Jones, Jimmy Meadows (Team Manager), Jim Redfern, Ian Seddon, Chris Duffy, Roger Hunt.
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« Reply #14 on: 30 November 2011, 05:05 PM » |
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Tuncay must be given a chance to shine. He has been one of Europe's finest centre forwards and has started just one match (out of position). It doesn't make sense.
What hasn't helped is the unpredictability of certain players. If MDavies and Eagles could get their act sorted out and appreciate that occasional top draw performances just aren't good enough, we'd be sorted in the wide positions.
There is potential in the squad of players that are currently match fit alone. Its about Coyle picking the right ones and getting the best of them - something he has rarely succeeded in doing this term.
Thanks for reading,
Gloria.
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« Reply #15 on: 30 November 2011, 08:14 PM » |
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What hasn't helped is the unpredictability of certain players. If MDavies and Eagles could get their act sorted out and appreciate that occasional top draw performances just aren't good enough, we'd be sorted in the wide positions. Mark Davies just isn't a wide player. |
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« Reply #16 on: 01 December 2011, 01:36 PM » |
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Helium: it's our last hope.
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Everybody is a genius. But, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing that it is stupid
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« Reply #17 on: 01 December 2011, 02:37 PM » |
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If MDavies could get his act sorted out and appreciate that occasional top draw performances just aren't good enough, we'd be sorted in the wide positions. Occasional? Try zero. Someone tried to tell me the other day we paid money for Mark Davies. If we did I'm putting him up there with Elmander for biggest waste of money ever. Fcuking useless player, absolutely chronic. |
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« Reply #18 on: 01 December 2011, 02:42 PM » |
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Occasional? Try zero.
Someone tried to tell me the other day we paid money for Mark Davies. If we did I'm putting him up there with Elmander for biggest waste of money ever. Fcuking useless player, absolutely chronic.
£1million compensation to Wolves from what I remember. Mark Davies just isn't a wide player.
He isn't but when he first arrived he was playing as a winger for wolves apparantly. |
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Natasha Whittam
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« Reply #19 on: 01 December 2011, 02:46 PM » |
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£1million compensation to Wolves from what I remember.
Surely the wronged party should get the £1m compensation? |
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« Reply #20 on: 02 December 2011, 06:57 AM » |
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Surely the wronged party should get the £1m compensation?
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« Reply #21 on: 02 December 2011, 09:34 PM » |
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Mark Davies isn't a bad player in a three man central midfield. He's pretty reliable with the ball when needs to be and has pretty good pass completion in the final third. But he can't impose himself in a 4-4-2. This is probably due to personality, he's never gonna dominate a game and demand the ball when on top or dig in when the chips are down. Playing him and Eagles together is criminal.
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« Reply #22 on: 03 December 2011, 09:11 AM » |
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We have to learn to shut out the other team. Until we start to hear (opposition team name here) nil...then we will go down. This was BS and Megson tactics and it kept us in the Premier League. We cannot afford to play the game of...if the opposition score 3 then we will score 4. Coyles brand of football does not work. We have to be more disciplined and work better as a physical defensive unit. Trying to play 'beautifl football' on a shoestring is utterly pointless and will take us down. Anyone who says perhaps better in a lower league, should be taken down Burnden retail park on a saturday night and made to stand there for 90 minutes in the quiet and cold. Anyone who watched Bolton back in the early 80s will have to agree this is pretty much what lower league football is like.
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« Reply #23 on: 03 December 2011, 11:45 AM » |
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Tuncay must be given a chance to shine. He has been one of Europe's finest centre forwards and has started just one match (out of position). It doesn't make sense.
He's been one of Europe's finest centre forwards ?, i'm not so sure. However Coyle should give him a chance, i just don't think he brings anything extra to the team apart from a bit more work rate. |
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