Coyle won't change winning sides

[Gloria Stitz]

A problem that the club has always faced with Coyle as manager is that the team has to lose before he bothers to notice the flaws within, and make changes.

Cast your mind back to Wigan, 3-1. And Sunderland, 2-0, the following match. The quality within the Bolton side was only partly responsible for the victory at Wigan. Had the opposition been slightly stronger (say a team like Sunderland?), that quality alone wouldn't have been enough.

Kevin Davies will definitely start against West Brom. But his performance against Stoke wasn't actually an improvement on any previous performances which have seen him become the subject of many fans' frustration. His crapness was just less noticable because of the quality in the team's performance throughout the field. His overall contribution - apart from the goal which anybody could have put in and a header under no pressure which led to the fourth goal, is pretty low. N'Gog should be brought back in in his place.

And whilst Robinson's performance was fairly steady on Sunday (by his standards), Gardner is still the more able full back and should be given another chance to prove what he can still do for the club.

Thanks for reading,

Gloria.

[largehat]

I'm used to and accept the idea of making changes after a poor performance and result. Fair enough. It's a different thing to argue for changes because we have played well and got a result.

I disagree that Kevin Davies' performance wasn't better against Stoke. He bullied Upson and Woodgate. There's a tactical argument for selecting Ngog, I agree.

I also think Gardner has been a complete liability at full back this season when he has played. He stupidly got himself sent off at Swansea, and when he came on against Sunderland, it was horrible. You can't seriously criticise Coyle for not making changes and then say Gardner should be brought back in, come off it. That's just overly critical & change for its own sake. If Robinson can recapture his form and confidence of 12 months ago, he will do a reasonable job until the end of the season. He did OK against Stoke, especially in the second half. Why drop him when there are signs of getting his confidence back?

Gardner should not have been offered a new contract and released in the Summer, along with Robbie Blake.

[ReebokTrotter]

A good post by Gloria. I am sure a number of posters are dying to ask the question so I will be brave and go for it.

How big are they exactly ?

[Sluffy]

Well to be fair to Coyle, he's not had many winning teams to change in 2011!

I always believe that you should take into account the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition as part of the process in selecting our team to play them - and Coyle’s lack of any other plan than the 4-4-2 formation and pocking the same team more or less, week in and week out - as made us such an easy team for teams to know what to expect from us - and therefore how to beat us - a record of played 29 league games, won 8, drawn 2, lost NINETEEN!! (from the Chelsea game on  29/12/2010) proves that.

An average of 26 points from 29 games = 34 points over a full 38 game season - or in other words - RELEGATION!

He seems to finally grasped the point that you can't play every game the same way and expect to be successful.

I don't think he as any guile or cunning regarding out thinking the opposition - so I wouldn't expect too much in the way of team changes for the next game.

Hello and welcome by the way.

[ReebokTrotter]

What worries me is that we can't seem to play well for two matches on the trot. After the Wigan result we should have been up for the Sunderland game.

After our result against Stoke I am in two minds about which team will turn up for West Brom.

[Big_Sharps]

A good post by Gloria. I am sure a number of posters are dying to ask the question so I will be brave and go for it.

How big are they exactly ?

Women don't know enough about the game to type all that, I reckon it is a bloke.

[Outpost]

It's usually best to keep a settled team, but there's always a 'horses for courses' element.
I'd suggest more pace & workrate up front for away to WBA - therefore N'gog over SKD or Klasnic.

[Le God]

Women don't know enough about the game to type all that, I reckon it is a bloke.

It is.

[jayjay23]

A problem that the club has always faced with Coyle as manager is that the team has to lose before he bothers to notice the flaws within, and make changes.

Cast your mind back to Wigan, 3-1. And Sunderland, 2-0, the following match. The quality within the Bolton side was only partly responsible for the victory at Wigan. Had the opposition been slightly stronger (say a team like Sunderland?), that quality alone wouldn't have been enough.

Kevin Davies will definitely start against West Brom. But his performance against Stoke wasn't actually an improvement on any previous performances which have seen him become the subject of many fans' frustration. His crapness was just less noticable because of the quality in the team's performance throughout the field. His overall contribution - apart from the goal which anybody could have put in and a header under no pressure which led to the fourth goal, is pretty low. N'Gog should be brought back in in his place.

And whilst Robinson's performance was fairly steady on Sunday (by his standards), Gardner is still the more able full back and should be given another chance to prove what he can still do for the club.

Thanks for reading,

Gloria.

I like you already. Most weeks I would totally agree with everything you have said there. In the weeks gone by I have been slated for suggesting we make changes after beating QPR and Wigan. This time Stoke were really bad, would an "on their game" Stoke have lost 5-0 against the Bolton that showed up on that day? No. Would an "on their game Stoke" have even lost? Hard to say.

It was one of our stronger performances this season though. We showed a few things that have lacked recently in our roll over and die performances. We showed some desire and some sparkle. Even a bit of flair at times.

I hate KDavies but you know what, I think I would keep him in for our next game. I thought his contribution was decent compared to other games, I have to admit it. He was part of the reason we won by the way he got back and won tackles and fought for the ball. I am not saying he should start every week, or even play 90 mins against WBA ( let's not get carried away here) but he should start - even if it is just to give WBA a good kicking for 35 mins before Ngog comes on. 

[bolt-on]

Not read many of posts, but why the fcúk, should he change a team that's just won 5-0.

[Natasha Whittam]

Not read many of posts, but why the fcúk, should he change a team that's just won 5-0.

Because he's tried keeping the same team/tactics/formation and it never works.

WBA are strong across the middle, Coyle must play five midfielders and leave Kevin Davies out.

He won't, and we'll lose.

[Outpost]

Not read many of posts, but why the fcúk, should he change a team that's just won 5-0.

Because it's away to West Brom and not home to Stoke ?

[largehat]

Because he's tried keeping the same team/tactics/formation and it never works.

If I name one example of keeping the same team and tactics after a positive result, which resulted in another positive result, will you admit you are wrong?

WBA are strong across the middle, Coyle must play five midfielders and leave Kevin Davies out.

He won't, and we'll lose.

So if Coyle either a) picks a 4 man midfield or b) picks Kevin Davies - and we win - will you admit you are wrong?

[ReebokTrotter]

 

If I name one example of keeping the same team and tactics after a positive result, which resulted in another positive result, will you admit you are wrong?

So if Coyle either a) picks a 4 man midfield or b) picks Kevin Davies - and we win - will you admit you are wrong?

You'll be lucky!  

[Gloria Stitz]

The suggestion here isn't that a winning side should always be changed, simply for the sake of change. Its merely that simply because one side wins one game, it doesn't automatically make it the best side that could possibly play the following match.

Winning sides contain flaws, or at least elements that could be improved.

Thanks for reading,

Gloria.

[Natasha Whittam]

If I name one example of keeping the same team and tactics after a positive result, which resulted in another positive result, will you admit you are wrong?

So if Coyle either a) picks a 4 man midfield or b) picks Kevin Davies - and we win - will you admit you are wrong?

I was talking in general terms, Coyle has a habit of refusing to change personnel/tactics/formation. I accept that there is an argument for keeping a winning team - if we were at home to WBA I would agree. But sometimes you have to look at the opposition's strengths, and I feel WBA will dictate the midfield if we only have four in there.

But when Coyle picks the same team, and if we win I will accept Coyle got it right.

But when Coyle picks the same team, and we lose will you accept I should be manager?

[largehat]

I was talking in general terms

Thanks for clarifying, I thought your last post was phrased in absolute terms, but I am happy we are on the same lines.

But when Coyle picks the same team, and if we win I will accept Coyle got it right.

Wow, look forward to this if it comes off.

But when Coyle picks the same team, and we lose will you accept I should be manager?

People in that job have to answer questions, you know

[ReebokTrotter]

The really good managers set up their teams based on the opposition. You have to be able to adapt to a change of circumstances in each game, depending on the opposition.

So far, Coyle has shown no sign of doing this. There is still time. It takes a few years of management before you can cut your teeth at the top level.

[largehat]

Harsh, RT. I don't think Coyle is a master tactician by any stretch of the imagination, but that has been some willingness to adapt this season.

A couple of examples:

Ngog up front on his own and five across the middle was working fine at Arsenal until we went off injured. Significance being that Davies was dropped for the first time ever.

Eagles on the left against the out of position Huth last week. How many of us thought of that?

[ReebokTrotter]

Possibly a bit harsh but Coyle is not yet the finished product. Last season he persisted in playing Kevin Davies in every game just because he was captain. Rio Ferdinand was the captain of Utd but Fergie didn't hesitate in dropping him when he had a drop in form.

Coyle is still inexperienced  at the top level of management. It takes years to perfect your craft. Understanding something is not the same as experiencing it.

[bangerhard]

Possibly a bit harsh but Coyle is not yet the finished product. Last season he persisted in playing Kevin Davies in every game just because he was captain. Rio Ferdinand was the captain of Utd but Fergie didn't hesitate in dropping him when he had a drop in form.

Coyle is still inexperienced  at the top level of management. It takes years to perfect your craft. Understanding something is not the same as experiencing it.

Wasn't (dare I say this name) Fergie still learning the ropes when he took the Scum job and wasn't he just 1 game away from being fired 3 years into the role?

How long did it take Fat Sam to have "his" finished product at the Reebok - 1, 2 or 3 seasons?

[Natasha Whittam]

If I name one example of keeping the same team and tactics after a positive result, which resulted in another positive result, will you admit you are wrong?

So if Coyle either a) picks a 4 man midfield or b) picks Kevin Davies - and we win - will you admit you are wrong?

I can't believe that fanny Largehat has closed his account. I know you're reading LH, you soft bastard.

Someone doesn't agree with you so you fcuk off with your little tail between your legs.

Man up, re-register and come back on here and admit I was right and that I should be manager.

FANNY.

p.s. you really should come back.

[Sluffy]

Yes, you should Large hat.

Life is not just about being serious you know.

[Natasha Whittam]

Yes, you should Large hat.

Life is not just about being serious you know.

He was holding his own, no idea why he felt the need to leave. Maybe someone PM'd him and told him to do it.

[Weststander]

We know he was doing well because of all the pms he was getting and the arses he was ripping.

But seriously, it's a football forum why would anyone take things so personally? We all give and take it a little, some have different views on BW than others but so what? I enjoy it here for a bit of fun and banter even when the piss taking is aimed at me. No need for this over reaction to a bit of club criticism, some treat it like you've just told them you've shagged their daughter.