Are We Going Down?

[traf]

Bollocks

Are they weak too?

Holden's a decent enough player to hold his own in the mid-table area of the Premier League, but he's not a world beater, nor is he our Messiah.

[tomr]

Two potential reasons.  The first is loyalty.  BWFC has been keeping Jussi, Garnder, and Kevin Davies rolling in cash for +/- 10 years.  I am sure they are committed to the club and understand how devastating it would be - emotionally and financially - if we were relegated.

Two, naked financial interest.  I would imagine they all have clauses in their contracts which cut their pay anyway if we go down.

On the other hand, past examples I can think of where players took a pay cut - the aforementioned Keller, or John Stockton in the NBA - revolved around opening up salary cap space for a title challenge, which obviously doesn't apply to us.

They have stayed loyal because of the money,take that away and they would of fucked off many moons ago.

[Natasha Whittam]

Bollocks

You think everyone has exactly the same bones and ligaments?

It's a fact of life some people are more prone to injuries than others.

[Le God]

by definition it doesn't really matter if you're hulk hogan (immortal) if you get 2 injuries in a year you're "injury prone"

but Holden has been unlucky with injuries, no would deny that even people on the wind up.

People like Hargreeves and Ledley King are people with Chronic problems, Owen as well etc etc.

[Natasha Whittam]

by definition it doesn't really matter if you're hulk hogan (immortal) if you get 2 injuries in a year you're "injury prone"

but Holden has been unlucky with injuries, no would deny that even people on the wind up.

People like Hargreeves and Ledley King are people with Chronic problems, Owen as well etc etc.

Taking the first two seasons that Holden, Hargreaves, Owen & King spent in the Premier League Holden spent the largest percentage injured.

I don't get your point.

[Le God]

Taking the first two seasons that Holden, Hargreaves, Owen & King spent in the Premier League Holden spent the largest percentage injured.

I don't get your point.

I'm saying they have chronic injury problems like pulled muscles; tendanitis; knees getting re-built, they can't train.

these injuries are different to broken bones.

stop trying to be a smart arse. Holden was the victim of 2 unfortunate injuries.

His injuries are very different to chronic problems experienced by the players listed above (irrespective of when they had them)

but as a doctor you'll know more.

[bwfcbob123]

I'm saying they have chronic injury problems like pulled muscles; tendanitis; knees getting re-built, they can't train.

these injuries are different to broken bones.

stop trying to be a smart arse. Holden was the victim of 2 unfortunate injuries.

His injuries are very different to chronic problems experienced by the players listed above (irrespective of when they had them)

That's what I was trying to get across, but I don't think she/he (depending whether you believe the rumours or not) can understand anything that contradicts what she is saying.

[Natasha Whittam]

I'm saying they have chronic injury problems like pulled muscles; tendanitis; knees getting re-built, they can't train.

these injuries are different to broken bones.

stop trying to be a smart arse. Holden was the victim of 2 unfortunate injuries.

His injuries are very different to chronic problems experienced by the players listed above (irrespective of when they had them)

but as a doctor you'll know more.

Yes, please address me as Dr Whittam from now on.

Injuries are injuries. I'm pretty sure Holden is out now with ligament damage - what has that got to do with bones?

He's injury prone, he won't be offered a new contract if the club has any sense.

[bwfcbob123]

A. Injuries are injuries. I'm pretty sure Holden is out now with ligament damage - what has that got to do with bones?

B. He's injury prone, he won't be offered a new contract if the club has any sense.

A. Yes, he is out with ligament damage, as he was in the first place because of a dangerous tackle. No it hasn't got anything to do with bones, have a gold star you clever girl/boy.

B. How is he injury prone, it's not like Hargreaves who he pulls a muscle when he's walking onto the pitch. That is injury prone, because he has weaker muscles etc. Holden doesn't, he has just been the victim of two bad challenges. In terms of the first one, you say he has weak bones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEt24YOF5I

Please tell me how any player would come away from that without an injury. He is also our best CM, so why wouldn't we offer him a new contract?

[Le God]

Yes, please address me as Dr Whittam from now on.

Injuries are injuries. I'm pretty sure Holden is out now with ligament damage - what has that got to do with bones?

He's injury prone, he won't be offered a new contract if the club has any sense.

Like i said by definition he is Injury prone but i don't think he's got chronic (incurable) problems - thats my only point.

This injury was a combination of ligament damage and chipped bone apparently.

There is no way he won't be offered a contract unless it's on doctors orders, the club offered Gardner a new one FFS.

[bwfcbob123]

the club offered Gardner a new one FFS.

And Robbie Blake.

[valleychallenger]

Without a doubt Owen Coyle has assembled the worst ever Bolton team to grace the Premiership. We are far worse than the team that finished bottom in 1995, at least they had a bit of fight. And as David said, it isn't just the defeats, it's the way we are getting hammered time and time again. Swansea controlled midfield yesterday despite us having five across the middle.

As things stand, with Coyle in charge, we are going down.

Despite all that we are not adrift at the bottom. Wigan look as bad as us, Blackburn not much better and one or two others like Wolves are struggling big time. If the board were brave and sacked Coyle today I believe we could stay up.

The squad is awful, and even Fergie would have trouble getting results with this shower of shite. But if a new manager could instill some sort of fight in the team I believe we'd pick up enough points to at least stay in touch with 17th place come January. With the right man in charge I feel he could bring in 5 or 6 loan signings and keep us up.

But long term we are fcuked. Owen Coyle has destroyed any future we had.

Hi new on here but cant work out  how to get into the introduce section.Anyway totally agree with natasha about coyle.

[Natasha Whittam]

Hi new on here but cant work out  how to get into the introduce section.Anyway totally agree with natasha about coyle.

Welcome to the board.

Click 'Forum' at the top of the page, then the top section is 'Introduce Yourself'.

[Natasha Whittam]

He is also our best CM, so why wouldn't we offer him a new contract?

Let's imagine, and I know it's total fantasy, that you were a manager of a business Bob. Let's imagine you were manager of a company selling toilets.

You take on a toilet salesman and he immediately gets ill and stays off work for months. You still have to pay him top dollar while he is sick. He finally comes back to work, has a great few weeks and becomes 'Toilet Salesman of the Quarter'. He then goes on the sick again for almost a year for which you have to pay his wages. Worked out over the course of the year he is your worst salesman.

So what do you do for the benefit of your toilet company? He's a good salesman but is never in work. A lesser salesman will sell more than your star salesman over the course of a year so is it really worth keeping the 'star' on?

[H. Pedersen]

I don’t believe Holden is “injury prone” but we need to see how this surgery turns out before we offer him a new contract.  A broken leg is one thing, knee damage could be a bigger problem.

[aarons2009]

With things the way they are Holden will not be offered a new deal until we have secured our premier league status again for next season.

[ReebokTrotter]

Let's imagine, and I know it's total fantasy, that you were a manager of a business Bob. Let's imagine you were manager of a company selling toilets.

You take on a toilet salesman and he immediately gets ill and stays off work for months. You still have to pay him top dollar while he is sick. He finally comes back to work, has a great few weeks and becomes 'Toilet Salesman of the Quarter'. He then goes on the sick again for almost a year for which you have to pay his wages. Worked out over the course of the year he is your worst salesman.

So what do you do for the benefit of your toilet company? He's a good salesman but is never in work. A lesser salesman will sell more than your star salesman over the course of a year so is it really worth keeping the 'star' on?

Comparing Holden to a toilet salesman is stretching the bounds of credulity.  He has been the victim of two shocking tackles. It's much too early in his career to compare him to the likes of Hargreaves and King.

[Natasha Whittam]

Comparing Holden to a toilet salesman is stretching the bounds of credulity.  He has been the victim of two shocking tackles. It's much too early in his career to compare him to the likes of Hargreaves and King.

You have a problem with toilet salesmen RT? Where would we be without toilets? They are much important than some overpaid footballer.

[Big_Sharps]

He is contracted until 2013 isnt he?

[Natasha Whittam]

He is contracted until 2013 isnt he?

No, I made the toilet salesman up.

[Didledee]

Yes we are, 6 points from 10 games, 1/4 of the season gone, we'll do well to get into the 30's.

[Natasha Whittam]

Yes we are, 6 points from 10 games, 1/4 of the season gone, we'll do well to get into the 30's.

I love the Didle cameos.

[Wiggy]

Yes we are, 6 points from 10 games, 1/4 of the season gone, we'll do well to get into the 30's.

Well if the rest of the season goes the same way,we will end up with 24 points.

[Sluffy]

Well if the rest of the season goes the same way,we will end up with 24 points.

Can't see Coyle maintaining our blistering start all the way through the season though.

[Didledee]

Well if the rest of the season goes the same way,we will end up with 24 points.

That's the thing, even 30 is looking unlikely, Bolton have shown nothing to suggest they will, without Lee and Holden and the loss of Elmander and Sturridge's goals and assists, we are crap, we have a pathetic defence, out of form and poor full backs, we have no manager, no captain, 2 dodgy keepers, no playmaker and 2 inconsistent wingers.

We'll be down by March and then we'll see things get even worse when our debt cripples the club.

This team can't get any confidence from a victory, since Stoke, we've beat Arsenal, QPR and Wigan, all have been followed by loads of defeats, this game coming up against Stoke is a perfect opportunity to put closure on this nightmare, I doubt this group of players are capable of stopping it.

We may get a few more odd rare wins here and there, but we are far weaker than the team last season and one win every month to 6 weeks will not effect our very likely outcome. Even a draw would be welcome once in a while, 13 losses in 15 games, that's in-excusable, it's shameful, it's worse than under Megson and just as worse as under S.Lee, thing is no realistic manager could come in and change things too dramatically, maybe an honeymoon period, but nothing of noticeable difference imo.

Unless a miracle happens, this bunch of crap will ruin a decade plus of top flight football, they don't care, they showed that against Swansea when 2-1 down, no desire to run after the ball.