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[jayjay23]

Erm. Is Ngog Ngoog egnough?

I think he is a decent player compared to what else we have at Bolton but he is no Danny Sturridge. Maybe we weren't expecting him to be that good.

But. He is also no Johan Elmander. Elmander had about 6 goals by this point last season and in my opinion he showed a lot of ability and promise. His passing was good. He was committed, great work rate, tackled back a lot, held the ball up well - yet he still had a lot of fans on his back for not giving enough to the team. Ngog has not done much really other than show the odd promising glimpse. But in reality he is doing very little. I think if Ngog was playing the way Elmander was last year we would all be singing his praises like mad now.

Will Ngog come Ngood? Do we miss Elmander? (Remember, even when Elmander was moved out of attack and not scoring he was still a big player in over 50% of our goals and was involved in the build up in 7 of Sturridge's goals too.)

[jayjay23]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYDImeM4M_8

[Le God]

I think he's done alright considering some of the shite around him, he can pass, he can hold it up, he does try pretty hard.

loose control at times but hardly the worst in the team; we just can't get him on the ball enough.

unless you've got a world class striker like Messi, Villa etc a striker is only as good as his support and he aint had too much.

It's not like he's blazing chances over like Elmander he's not getting much yet... lets just wait and see.

[jayjay23]

We need some of this though too like we got from Nelmander last season. Check out Bolton's fourth goal...
http://soccerblogvideo.blogspot.com/2010/11/bolton-5-1-newcastle-davies-elmander.html

I like Ngog by the way don't get me wrong. But I do believe we need that creativity behind him in order to get him on the ball. He makes tonnes of runs in behind but our midfield are so laboured that they never see it. But also it doesn't help Ngog when he picks the ball up he is looking for a quick attacker off him to go in the gap but Davies tends to stop and face him instead of moving off into a better position or looking for the through ball. I think Petrov would also look a better player with the right players around him.

[Diana Prince]

You mean the same Daniel Sturridge who was on loan to us and is getting regular game for Chelsea now?

[jayjay23]

You mean the same Daniel Sturridge who was on loan to us and is getting regular game for Chelsea now?

All you ever do is pick apart what I have said. It's like you look for the most objectionable part of the post and focus in on it. Instead, try just contributing to the general theme of the thread. And to answer your question, yes. That is the Sturridge I mean. Thanks for helping clear it up.

[Diana Prince]

All you ever do is pick apart what I have said. It's like you look for the most objectionable part of the post and focus in on it. Instead, try just contributing to the general theme of the thread. And to answer your question, yes. That is the Sturridge I mean. Thanks for helping clear it up.

Picking apart? Then talk some fúcking sense then. No, he's no Daniel Sturridge, nor do I expect him to be,
I pity "fans" who've never seen us in any division lower than the premier league.

[jayjay23]

Picking apart? Then talk some fúcking sense then. No, he's no Daniel Sturridge, nor do I expect him to be,
I pity "fans" who've never seen us in any division lower than the premier league.

Me too.
I don't want a row. Just your views on Ngog and if miss miss having an Elmander? Something nobody ever thought would be possible really,

[bwfcbob123]

I must be honest, I've not been very impressed with N'gog. I didn't think Elmander was that good, but I would prefer him to Ngog at this moment in time.

[Keegan]

I expect Ngog to become a better player for us than Elmander was. He had become accustomed to a higher quality of service up front than he has to make do with now and he has also been partnered by better players in attack. To top it all off, he has had to watch the creativity of SKD from the bench before getting a chance. Sturridge was somewhat different. He was not considered a starter so was able to come in unfettered by expectations, he had a different point to prove and he's a better player. I say given time and service, Ngog will do the business.

[traf]

I think Ngog will prove to be a bargain if we can give him some decent service.

Unfortunately, our midfield is shite.

[DaveBWFC]

Erm. Is Ngog Ngoog egnough?

Ngog has not done much really other than show the odd promising glimpse. But in reality he is doing very little.

Didn't take you long to change your mind......

Ngog came on and showed pace, control and composure. He looks dangerous.
I know there were mixed reviews of him but I really think he will shine.

[Natasha Whittam]

Erm. Is Ngog Ngoog egnough?

I think he is a decent player compared to what else we have at Bolton but he is no Danny Sturridge. Maybe we weren't expecting him to be that good.

But. He is also no Johan Elmander. Elmander had about 6 goals by this point last season and in my opinion he showed a lot of ability and promise. His passing was good. He was committed, great work rate, tackled back a lot, held the ball up well - yet he still had a lot of fans on his back for not giving enough to the team. Ngog has not done much really other than show the odd promising glimpse. But in reality he is doing very little. I think if Ngog was playing the way Elmander was last year we would all be singing his praises like mad now.

Will Ngog come Ngood? Do we miss Elmander? (Remember, even when Elmander was moved out of attack and not scoring he was still a big player in over 50% of our goals and was involved in the build up in 7 of Sturridge's goals too.)

It's hard to believe but Elmander was playing in a much better team. He had one or two players around him who could create chances, but let's not forget he blazed 99% of those chances over the bar or hit the corner flag.

I don't doubt that if Ngog had those same chances he'd have 12 goals plus by now.

[aarons2009]

But. He is also no Johan Elmander. Elmander had about 6 goals by this point last season and in my opinion he showed a lot of ability and promise. His passing was good. He was committed, great work rate, tackled back a lot, held the ball up well - yet he still had a lot of fans on his back for not giving enough to the team. Ngog has not done much really other than show the odd promising glimpse. But in reality he is doing very little. I think if Ngog was playing the way Elmander was last year we would all be singing his praises like mad now.

Will Ngog come Ngood? Do we miss Elmander? (Remember, even when Elmander was moved out of attack and not scoring he was still a big player in over 50% of our goals and was involved in the build up in 7 of Sturridge's goals too.)

Remind me how many goals had elmander got at the same stage of his first season with bolton?

I think elmander would be on the same goal tally as N'gog at this stage to be honest, our overall play has been piss poor in terms of creating chances.

Give him time I think we will have a good player on our hands if we can learn how to play to his strengths.

[Big_Sharps]

You mean the same Daniel Sturridge who was on loan to us and is getting regular game for Chelsea now?

Nothing else needs to be said in this thread apart from what flat dick has typed above.

[jayjay23]

Didn't take you long to change your mind......

I have not changed my mind. Ngog is still a decent player but what we have had so far from him is not having a great deal of impact. The Elmander of last season was having a lot more influence in games. And Natasha, all strikers miss good chances. But if you are there to get the shots in enough times you get the goals too.

I think Ngog will be great for us but I think he would be better alongside an Elmander type player. It would have been great if we had them both up top.

And I agree, the service from midfield is just not there. We need Mavies to play and hope he can create something more than we have seen so far.

[tomr]

Mavies is shíte jayjay.If he was half decent he would be in the team.

He's a championship player.....which will be usefull for next season

[Le God]

Mavies is shíte jayjay.If he was half decent he would be in the team.

He's a championship player.....which will be usefull for next season

Worst post of the year.

[tomr]

Worst post of the year.

Its true though.If he cant get into our midfield now he's never going to.

He's wank!

[Le God]

Its true though.If he cant get into our midfield now he's never going to.

He's wank!

He's a higher truth.

[aarons2009]

The thing with mark davies he has potential to be a good player but just isn't consistant enough when he gets given the chance.

[Natasha Whittam]

But if you are there to get the shots in enough times you get the goals too.

When you're as poor as we are you need someone who can hit the target more than he misses. Elmander used to get 3 or 4 chances a game and rarely put them away, Ngog will be lucky to get 4 chances before Christmas.

[jayjay23]

When you're as poor as we are you need someone who can hit the target more than he misses. Elmander used to get 3 or 4 chances a game and rarely put them away, Ngog will be lucky to get 4 chances before Christmas.

Not even Chelsea or United have a striker who score more than he misses. You are totally biased against Elmander and are remembering selectively. Your view of his final season with us is tainted by his 2 previous seasons in which he had a poor tally. In his  final season, when he played up front he was as prolific as anyone we have had since McGinlay. Because you already didn't like him his misses stuck in your mind more than usual. You were a Davies supporter for years and you could never rely on him to finish.

[Weststander]

Pound for pound, Elmander was the biggest waste of money this club's ever forked out for.

Put in about 12 decent performances in three yrs, rest of the time he was a load of crap.

[DaveBWFC]

he was as prolific as anyone we have had since McGinlay.

What a load of shít.