I knew it wouldn't take you long

[Chris Rabz]

It was always likely that at some point Coyle would have a poor run, and it was even more a certainty that the majority of this forum would be straight in the queue to get him out of the club. But let's get one thing straight here, this season Norwich is the only game where we have got a result worse than anyone predicted. You all said we'd lose at QPR, we battered them. We lost to Liverpool, City and United like almost every other team will in the league.

I won't defend us for Norwich, it seemed an attitude problem more than anything but it was still the only game where I've been genuinely shocked at the result. But I was equally as shocked last night with our win against the Villa. Some might say "it's only the cup" or whatever but it wasn't about that, it was about proving that Coyle is capable of managing the troops through the good and bad and showing that we CAN beat teams when we put our minds to it.

All these anti Coyle threads I've seen on here quite frankly disgust me. Just because we've dropped in the bottom three, it's the middle of September for fúck's sake. One win gets a team halfway up the league and had we beaten Norwich I can guarantee that the same people who've started these ridiculous threads would then be talking about Europe. A club's fortunes change month to month, not game to game.

A loss doesn't mean relegation, a win doesn't mean Europe. It's a 38 game season and by the time we play Wigan we will have got past five of the most difficult fixtures we'll have all season. Just as a quick reminder: Going into the home league game against Stoke last season in the same weekend we have Wigan this time around, we were 11th and had just one win to our name at West Ham. Our record read 1-5-1 and quite a few were moaning that we couldn't beat teams after drawing at West Brom.

The only "top" team we played in that spell was United who we drew 2-2 with, so quite a few on here no doubt thought a season of struggle was coming. We then lost one of the next nine, and a few short weeks later we were 4th having beaten Newcastle 5-1. Things can change very fast in this league.

The Norwich result was a bad one, but sometimes you have them kinds of results. Coyle doesn't deserve the "support" he's had from certain predictable faces on here.

[Natasha Whittam]

There are a hundred Coyle threads where you could have posted this crap.

Attention seeker.

[jayjay23]

Excellent post. Agree completely.

I hate how people jump on the Coyle out band wagon after a bad result but are on the European trail after a win at QPR. Can't stand it.

I have been saying however since the opening day that despite that 4-0 win we needed to make changes in the team to have a chance of competing because our frailties were there for all to see (or all who cared to look). Yet the score line glossed over it for most folk who decided we had a winning formula and a chance at being "in the top four by the end of September" (someone said).

The same people who ranted about the great result and how the same eleven should continue together are then the same ones who rant about that eleven when we pick up defeats over the next few weeks and decide its time for Coyle to take an early bath.

I even said at one point "does it have to take a good thrashing or three before you sit up and take notice?"

[Chris Rabz]

There are a hundred Coyle threads where you could have posted this crap.

Attention seeker.

Natasha? Give your fingers a rest every once in a while.

[Big_Sharps]

Excellent post. Agree completely.

I hate how people jump on the Coyle out band wagon after a bad result but are on the European trail after a win at QPR. Can't stand it.

I have been saying however since the opening day that despite that 4-0 win we needed to make changes in the team to have a chance of competing because our frailties were there for all to see (or all who cared to look). Yet the score line glossed over it for most folk who decided we had a winning formula and a chance at being "in the top four by the end of September" (someone said).

The same people who ranted about the great result and how the same eleven should continue together are then the same ones who rant about that eleven when we pick up defeats over the next few weeks and decide its time for Coyle to take an early bath.

I even said at one point "does it have to take a good thrashing or three before you sit up and take notice?"

fcúk off you nob, you are the worst fcuking one.

[Natasha Whittam]

Natasha? Give your fingers a rest every once in a while.

You write absolute rubbish Rabz.

It's not so much the results that have been disappointing (I expected them all), it's the manner in which we have been beaten.

We surrendered at Anfield, we surrendered against United and we simply couldn't be arsed against Norwich. Not good enough. If you're happy shelling out £30+ only for the team to have no passion then that's upto you. But it's arseholes like you that clap wankers who get sent off, or see positives in 5-0 thrashings, or back the manager regardless of his inabilities.

Coyle is clueless, the only reason we won last night was because he made changes to rest his 1st team. Let's not make out it was some great tactical maneuver. We finally kept a clean sheet because Knight wasn't there. But no doubt he'll be back at the weekend.

Coyle out. Rabz out.

[Big_Sharps]

I am guessing you stayed away due to the poor results Mr Rabz.

[DaveBWFC]

When we played well and got some results last season Coyle deserved all the praise he got imo.

We've played shíte at the end of last season and apart from QPR, the City defeat and the game last night we've played shíte this season. Coyle has to take some shít for that imo. We've looked clueless at times.

When he turns it around he'll deserve praise again. Simple really.

[Chris Rabz]

Not the poor results itself Sharps just the fact that I knew exactly what drivel would be on here as a result, a fine example of which Natasha has just kindly demonstrated. Poor results happen every year, so do good ones but it is just strange how after the good ones Coyle never gets the credit for them yet whenever we hit the skids for a few weeks (like every team bar about two does every season) it's all Coyle's fault.

There is none so blind as he (or she) who will not see.

[largehat]

Wow, someone actually wants Coyle out? Natasha - who would you like our manager to be? They must be someone who the fans will get behind and will be prepared to secure a mid-table position, with no money to spend. I'm genuinely interested to see who you would like at the helm.

Coyle has a lot to learn on the tactical front, I agree - but he is far from clueless.

[Natasha Whittam]

It was always likely that at some point Coyle would have a poor run

A poor run is 5 or 6 games without a win, this current "poor run" has been going on since we gave up at Wembley.

As far as average points per game goes, Coyle now has a worse record than Megson. I don't remember you defending him.

[Natasha Whittam]

Wow, someone actually wants Coyle out? Natasha - who would you like our manager to be? They must be someone who the fans will get behind and will be prepared to secure a mid-table position, with no money to spend. I'm genuinely interested to see who you would like at the helm.

I didn't want Coyle in the first place, his record at Burnley in the Premiership was all the warning I needed. Great when things are going well, absolutely clueless when results are going against him.

This team needs a kick up the backside, they don't respond to this love in that Coyle has created.

I'd go for Graeme Souness personally. The players would respect him because he's won the top trophies, but he wouldn't stand for a lack of effort and keep picking players regardless of form.

[DaveBWFC]

strange how after the good ones Coyle never gets the credit for them

You're wrong with that comment Rabz.

After we had a few good results last season Coyle was the best thing since sliced bread.

He's had loads of praise imho.

[RustyMcHayes]

I'd go for Graeme Souness personally.

Come on Natasha, your usually a bit more subtle with the wummery than that.

[Chris Rabz]

You are right with that Dave, but I meant purely from Natasha. Aside from a few silly "we'll win the league" comments after we battered Newcastle there hasn't been anything but animosity from her regarding Coyle. Instead its usually "well we won but..."

The bad run has gone on since Wembley you are right Nat but he had a largely good run up until then from the previous October so I think he's due a bit of faith from you. I know you are an older Bolton fan but the way you react to a loss reminds of the clowns that surround me in the East Lower who boo every time we don't win a half of football.

Don't get me wrong I have been fuming at times this season, particularly the game which shall not be mentioned a fortnight ago. But pushing the panic button with the manager very rarely solves the problem. As for the Megson comment I did back him up a lot longer than most and actually only truly had enough of him in that last December he was with us. But I'm not opening that one up again as its been done to death.

There is nothing better out there and Coyle, while still making some errors, gives me confidence in his ability. Some of the displays we come out with when on form are excellent to watch, something I never once said under Megson.

I'm not trying to change your view because we all know without Europe it probably won't ever change about Coyle. But it is just funny and irritating at the same time how quickly we went from 4-0 at QPR and Europe being a certainty, to Coyle out and would we be better off in the Championship after losing to some of the best teams in the world... and then Norwich.

Give it time.

[largehat]

I'd go for Graeme Souness personally. The players would respect him because he's won the top trophies, but he wouldn't stand for a lack of effort and keep picking players regardless of form.

Again, Wow. I think this has to be a WUMmery comment. Graeme Souness hates us. We hate him. He's the one who started the ball rolling in turning the media and most of the fans and managers of other PL clubs against Bolton Wanderers. He came out with a load of nonsense about us being a dirty team and everyone jumped on it. And you would rather this guy were our manager than Owen Coyle.

Souness hasn't held a manager's job since 2006... and you would rather this guy were our manager than Owen Coyle.

Souness took over the most talented squad in England in 1991 and in four years they won one FA Cup and the club has never recovered from his tenure.

He did win the league cup with Blackburn in 2002 though, is this what you mean by "all the top trophies"?

Seriously, if Owen Coyle was sacked and replaced by Graeme Souness, it would break my heart. What a horrible, horrible man. What a stupid, stupid suggestion.

[Weststander]

Chris, folk on here and other places were creaming themselves over Coyle after a decent run at the start of last season. He's been shite, in fact truly shite since Christmas time and the posts reflect that. I don't see the problem with that. He might turn into a half decent manager but right now he has a worse league record than Megson and not too far off what Sammy Lee did to get fired.

[traf]

Chris, folk on here and other places were creaming themselves over Coyle after a decent run at the start of last season. He's been shite, in fact truly shite since Christmas time and the posts reflect that. I don't see the problem with that. He might turn into a half decent manager but right now he has a worse league record than Megson and not too far off what Sammy Lee did to get fired.

It's not often I say this, but Wetsander has it nailed down.

[largehat]

Weststander, does being in the top half of the table for 36 games out of a 38 game season carry no weight at all with you? What about the fact Coyle is being given no money to spend? Clubs like Stoke, Sunderland, Fulham, QPR have all overtaken us in the financial stakes. What final league position would satisfy you?

[Chris Rabz]

Since Christmas is wrong. When we beat West Ham in the game prior to Wembley we were in a fine position. We were safe from the drop, in the top half, and looking forward to a cup semi final. I'll give you the problems since then but to say from Christmas is too far really. It does just seem to me like a typical over-reaction to what was undoubtedly a dreadful couple of results recently.

But people seem to forget that even Allardyce had bad spells with us. He lost six on the bounce once and they weren't top teams we lost to by and large, it was teams like Portsmouth, Man City before they were big, Blackburn, and again Norwich. But we then won 7 on the spin shortly after, ended the year in Europe for the first time in our history.

Bad spells happen to every club, but where a lot of clubs' supporters rally round the side to get the ship turned around, ours seem to take the easy way out every time and go "sack the manager! sack the board! sack everyone!" but more often than not it creates more problems than it solves and to get rid of Coyle anytime before Christmas in my opinion would kill us as a Premier League team.

[Weststander]

Weststander, does being in the top half of the table for 36 games out of a 38 game season carry no weight at all with you? What about the fact Coyle is being given no money to spend? Clubs like Stoke, Sunderland, Fulham, QPR have all overtaken us in the financial stakes. What final league position would satisfy you?

All depends on your point of view I suppose. A decent start to last season built on a very good home record was then ruined by a dismal second half which has continued into this season.

How long have we been in this league now? Long enough not to be twatted by the likes of Norwich at home.

[Chris Rabz]

But that sort of stuff sometimes happens Westie. United probably didn't bank on losing at Wolves last season but they did, and they probably don't expect anyone to beat them this season right now but I'm pretty sure someone will and it'll be a shock. Liverpool probably didn't forsee a 4-0 loss at Spurs, I can't hear them shouting for Dalglish's head. Poor defeats happen, its how you react to them.

But I fully expect the cries of Coyle Out to get louder for a couple of weeks until we get Arsenal and Chelsea out of the way because of course, we should be beating teams like this shouldn't we?

[Weststander]

Since Christmas is wrong. When we beat West Ham in the game prior to Wembley we were in a fine position. We were safe from the drop, in the top half, and looking forward to a cup semi final. I'll give you the problems since then but to say from Christmas is too far really. It does just seem to me like a typical over-reaction to what was undoubtedly a dreadful couple of results recently.

But people seem to forget that even Allardyce had bad spells with us. He lost six on the bounce once and they weren't top teams we lost to by and large, it was teams like Portsmouth, Man City before they were big, Blackburn, and again Norwich. But we then won 7 on the spin shortly after, ended the year in Europe for the first time in our history.

Bad spells happen to every club, but where a lot of clubs' supporters rally round the side to get the ship turned around, ours seem to take the easy way out every time and go "sack the manager! sack the board! sack everyone!" but more often than not it creates more problems than it solves and to get rid of Coyle anytime before Christmas in my opinion would kill us as a Premier League team.

Chris, maybe someone can look it up for us? How many league games played since Christmas, wins, draws, losses etc. I doubt the stats will refect very well on Owen Coyle. But we are rather going off your point which seemed to express surprise that quite a few were not exactly thrilled at our recent performances. The only surprise is that you are surprised.

[texan dave II]

United almost got beat by wolves at home last year
I think we did well in the city match pool went the way we all knew it would as did united
Norwich was a fcku up
Form has not been as bad as the results dictate all season
Holden is back and we did get some quality signings in the summer give it a chance ffs  

[largehat]

My point of view is that I think you have unrealistic expectations, very little patience and a short term view. You haven't told me what you expect our final league position to be. You haven't acknowledged we were in the top half for the vast majority of last season (not just the start of it) and refer back to Saturday's disappointing result. You haven't acknowledged that Coyle has had four transfer windows with no money to spend. You haven't acknowledged he inherited a bloated squad full of over-the-hill and over-paid players and that only one of them, Gavin McCann, was out of contract in Summer 2010. You see losing at home to Norwich for what it is, a bad result, but you generalise by saying we shouldn't be "twatted by the likes of Norwich at home". I was at the game and we were the far better team in the second half with ten men, and we lost by the odd goal in three. How is this - to use your vernacular - a "twatting"? We lost, it was a bad result, lets move on from it. Only, that would involve acknowledging a great performance and a result away at Aston Villa less than 24 hours ago, which isn't consistent with your point of view.

Sorry if that appears to be a bit of a rant, but whenever I try and pin someone down on what their expectations are for the club this season they are vague, it's because it is not credible to expect miracles on no money, but for some reason, certain individuals need to accept we're not an automatic top 10 club any more and signs of this such as losing at home to Norwich and the like are easily blamed on the manager but we need to all be mindful of the bigger picture at the club.