How many defeats on the bounce would lose Coyle his job?

[Malcolm Everett]

I don't want Owen Coyle to lose his job, I want him to sort out the problems and to turn things around. But I know 100% that we will lose our next two games which shows what a sad state things are now in when we just know we will lose. Under Big Sam we used to be so hard to beat but now we're just pathetic.

I don't think there are many Bolton fans any more who think Owen Coyle is a great manager and the brightest young manager in the game. 9 defeats in the last 10 league games, the dire away form under Coyle, the failure to drop players who are not performing, the same 4-4-2 formation home and away and regardless of the opposition, the ease in which teams seem to beat us now, everything is going wrong.
I think if we see a 4-4-2 formation in the next 2 games it will show that Owen Coyle is a one trick pony, tactically inept and does nothing to try and stop teams playing and stopping the opponent team's strengths.
When we lose the next two games we will have played 7, won 1, drawn 0, lost 6 - and lost 11 of our last 12 league games. Our games after that don't look easy either, Wigan away, Sunderland home, Swansea away, Stoke home, West Brom away, Spurs home.
How many more defeats would it be before he got the chop? I know we paid a lot of money to get Coyle but if he's not up to the job we need to sack him. I think if we lose the next 4 games he'll lose his job.

[aarons2009]

I honeslty don't think he will get sacked, gartside loves him and always sings his praises.

Unless the board over rule gartside and say enough is enough then Coyle will be here for along time to come IMO.

[Rivals_Refugee]

I think the current run would have to get to 10 league defeats in a row before Coyle was sacked.That would be after an easy home game against a Stoke side who had played in Europe a few days before.

[Big_Sharps]

I have renewed optimism now that after losing 3 games against teams that we really have no chance of beating considering the money spent on their squads and losing 3 games on the spin especially the previous one 5-0 is hardly going to fill the lads with confidence even against far easier opposition.

We will more than likely lose the next 2 games and then it is a local derby to contend with but I am still confident Owen is the right man for the job and we can still have a productive season.

We will have got the big boys out of the way and with a few wins could easily find ourselves up the table, playing against Chelsea and Arsenal is not exactly going to show us how good a squad we have got and once some of the new boys start to gel, I am sure we will look a better side.

OCSWA!

[tomr]

This thread is just the same as the other 5/6 how shíte are we and coyle is a tactical wanker threads.

Unless we are rock bottom after xmas he wont be sacked even if we go down..

[DaveBWFC]

This thread is just the same as the other 5/6 how shíte are we and coyle is a tactical wanker threads.

Yep I agree. All this could've been said in one of the existing threads.

[Bazzabomb]

38

[H. Pedersen]

38

Haha.

[largehat]

I've heard some criticism of Coyle recently but I'm genuinely shocked to read an opinion that Owen Coyle is four games from the sack. It really hits home how far he has dropped in people's estimations when you read something like that.

I think Coyle is a bright young manager with a great future. As the original poster identifies, his greatest weakness is his tactical inexperience. In my opinion, that comes with time, he has all the other qualifies needed in a successful top flight manager, and it would be tragic if we were short sighted enough to sack him in October, November, or any time soon.

The club is built around Coyle in the same way it was once built around Big Sam, and before him, Bruce Rioch. Sacking him is out of the question in my humble opinion and I think Gartside is of the same view. I actually wouldn't expect him to be sacked even if he took us down. OK if we lost every game between now and the end of the season he would be sacked, I suppose, so my answer to the question in the title of this thread is '37', nominally. I just can't see it happening. I believe he is the right man for the job and needs time for his squad to knit & can't see anyone out there would could do as good a job with no money.

[Malcolm Everett]

Good post largehat.
I don't want Coyle to be sacked either, I think he has huge potential to be a really brilliant manager but it is so obvious he needs to make changes with tactics, formation and personnel. If he keeps playing the same 4-4-2 with the same old regular starters who aren't performing then it is very worrying that he can't see things are not working as they are, that he won't drop players who aren't performing, that he is doing nothing about it.
I am gobsmacked by the last two teams he put out. A 4-4-2 against Man Utd with Klasnic and Davies up front? We were so open to play against it was unreal. They were 3-0 up in 20 odds mins and should have been 4-0 but for a goal disallowed. And this weekend he started again with Klasnic, Knight, Davies. At least he subbed Davies at half time although I haven't bothered to find out if it was a tactical switch or Davies had a knock.
I would back Coyle again if I could see he is making the right changes with formation and personnel even if we do keep losing because at least I can see he recognises the problems and is trying to sort things out. Right now I am just really alarmed by how he plays the same 4-4-2 with the same players regardless of being home or away and who we're playing. I am actually thinking Megson is tactically more aware than Coyle which I never thought I'd ever say.

[texan dave II]

Again it is too easy to pass judgment
We as fans are not at the training ground
We do not see what is going on day to day with the players/staff
There is alot of potential with some of our new players they may need time to mesh it can not happen overnight

[Big_Sharps]

I do think they have it easy in training, if you look at our pre-game warm up it is fcuking shambolic and looks like a sunday league side fannying about before kick off.

Also if you look at our week leading up to that Semi Final we had Soccer AM up days before a vital game and we got fcuking destroyed and I think OC needs to start busting bollocks and demanding every player takes playing for BWFC seriously.

[Squidgy]

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[Big_Sharps]

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[wanderlust]

I think ...his greatest weakness is his tactical inexperience. In my opinion, that comes with time, he has all the other qualifies needed in a successful top flight manager,

I know what you mean but would like to point out that tactical nous is IMO one of , if not the most important prequisite skills required of a manager.
It's like saying he has the potential to win the Formula 1 World Championship - all he needs to do is learn how to drive.

[whatsgoingon]

I think that in terms of managing, attracting players and motivating players he has the potential to be a very good manager, but tactically he needs and help and a strong number 2 which he hasn't got. Sandy Stewart and Steve Davis are yes men, we need a Steve Clarke type number 2 who can work on tactics and training allowing Coyle to manage and oversee things.

[largehat]

I know what you mean but would like to point out that tactical nous is IMO one of , if not the most important prequisite skills required of a manager.
It's like saying he has the potential to win the Formula 1 World Championship - all he needs to do is learn how to drive.

I know what you mean but would like to point out that tactical nous is IMO one of , if not the most important prequisite skills required of a manager.
It's like saying he has the potential to win the Formula 1 World Championship - all he needs to do is learn how to drive.

You're right that tactical awareness is important but when you have an individual who is as driven as Coyle I believe he is someone who works hard at improving his weaknesses and he has shown enough already in his time at the club to demonstrate that he deserves more patience, time and loyalty than certain fans seem willing to give him.

I can't agree with your simile about F1 drivers. Maybe if you'd said he's bad at overtaking or getting the most out of the car in qualifying, I might have, but I think saying he is like a driver who cannot drive is taking it too far.

[wanderlust]

I think the analogy is just about fair - well almost as it was said tongue-in-cheek (and I'm not talking about rimming here!) OC has his coaching badge, is a practised PR dude and has mastered the technique of saying the sponsors name on at least 3 occasions per interview (is he on a commission from Barclays?) but we don't know anything about his man-management skills (questionable as he insists on playing certain players despite their poor form) and tactically he comes across as naive.
It's good to have a fast and reliable car but more is needed in Formula 1.

[texan dave II]

It is very difficult to manage a club
That is why you have several people to help
F1 teams also have a manager not just a driver
If that analogy can be used in a football setting perhaps it may be better suited to the team captain rather than the manager

[Burndenfaces]

I think he has it in his head that he wants to play 442 whatever, but it is now clear that it is not working. we will now see after the villa game if he is prepared to change that philosophy at least away from home, if not i fear the worst for him and us in the long run, if he does we can go from strength to strength and climb the table quickly, time will tell.