Bolton 1-2 Norwich

[Bazzabomb]

Coyle to blame for todays shite performance,he continues to keep picking the same players when they clearly not up to the job.I can't find words to describe Knights distribution from the back surely its time Wheater was given a run,he picks two strikers who can't even run,Klasnic is one lazy f****r and SKD your time is up as good a servant as you've been and then to play Tuncay on the right wing this is short on madness.Jussi and robbo are also skating on thin ice,grow some balls Coyle and add a bit of freshness to the team or else we're gonna be in the brown stuff.Tuncay and Ngog up top,Holden back in midfield and Wheater alongside Cahill for starters,otherwise COYLE OUT!

[Le God]

What do we do when Wheater comes in and is rubbish?

I'm not writing him off but he's never looked that great to me; he passes a bit better than Knight but if anything he's slower and clumsier.

[Jamster26]

Wheater is better than Knight. Like Le God said, he's better with the ball and he's actually comes across as abit of a leader, to be honest. Sure he isn't the quickest but he'll head the ball and he knows how to play it from the back.

[Bazzabomb]

Play Boyata at centre half then,anything to stop us conceding shite goals we could even start with two keepers.

[Natasha Whittam]

What do we do when Wheater comes in and is rubbish?

I'm not writing him off but he's never looked that great to me; he passes a bit better than Knight but if anything he's slower and clumsier.

Simply leaving Knight out and not replacing him would make us a better team.

[Le God]

Simply leaving Knight out and not replacing him would make us a better team.

Totally agree with that.

[H. Pedersen]

What do we do when Wheater comes in and is rubbish?

I'm not writing him off but he's never looked that great to me; he passes a bit better than Knight but if anything he's slower and clumsier.

I don't think Wheater is the next Beckenbauer but something needs to be done about the defense and dropping Knight is the logical place to start.

[aarons2009]

I know knight is shite but fcuking hell what was Cahill doing for the first goal yesterday he just got caught ball watching and the guy he was marking just got free at the near post.

We are now 19th.....seems a long time ago since we were 1st. 

[SuperJohnMcGinlay]

I think the negativity I am seeing on here across all the threads is over the top.

Don't get me wrong, I am gutted we are in the bottom three and it is worrying that we are conceding so many goals.

But, I remember looking at the fixture list before the season started and thinking- After 7 games we will only have 3 points and be bottom of the league. Yes, I predicted we would get beat by Norwich!! I knew our confidence would be so battered by the time we met Norwich that we would lose, and we did.

Our season starts away at Wigan. We just need to ride the storm until then. Everything will be all right.... promise!!

[Jamster26]

I work with allot of Man United supporters at work. And apprently they have come up with a new chant for us...

"Is there a fire drill at the Reebok".....

[RustyMcHayes]

Our season starts away at Wigan.
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Thats what worries me even more. We don't exactly do well at Wigan do we?

The next winnable game is the home game against Sunderland and look what they did yesterday. We will be rock bottom by then. It is looking once again this season that there are no really bad teams which is bad news for us. All the newly promoted teams are picking up points and even the other bottom half teams, the likes of Wigan, West Brom and Fulham, they're not looking that bad either.

Coyle needs to ring the changes and pretty quick or its going to be a long hard season.

Another thing while i am on a rant, I must say I am getting a pit pissed off with Coyle's interviews and him trying to put a positive spin on everything. Sometimes I just want the manager to come out and say 'that performance was totally unacceptable and i have told the players in no uncertain terms'. I don't get the impression that he is capable of bollocking the players and giving them the old hairdryer treatment which is definately needed at the moment.

[Natasha Whittam]

Another thing while i am on a rant, I must say I am getting a pit pissed off with Coyle's interviews and him trying to put a positive spin on everything. Sometimes I just want the manager to come out and say 'that performance was totally unacceptable and i have told the players in no uncertain terms'. I don't get the impression that he is capable of bollocking the players and giving them the old hairdryer treatment which is definately needed at the moment.

Coyle is scared of upsetting the players. He keeps up this positive spin bollocks to "protect" the players. But sometimes, as in everyday life, people just need a rocket up their backside.

But what was good to see in the media this morning was a few people finally questioning Coyle's management ability. They are starting to see through the PR bollocks and the so-called passing football we (don't) play.

[aarons2009]

I don't agree with that, our season begins with wigan away? well not really because if were as good as coyle makes out we should have beaten Norwich.

Ok nobody really thought we would beat city, united and the pool but we didn't even put up a fight against them for fcúk sake, we are terrible at the moment and even a team like norwich made us look poor, so what does that say about us?

[RustyMcHayes]

Something I read on another forum worried me. Did anyone see SKD & Ricketts on Goals on Sunday the other week? I didn't see it but apparently they were asked about tactics and how Coyle approaches each game. Apparently Ricketts replied 'we don't really have tactics as such' and then Kev chipped in with 'well we do watch a DVD of the opposition before we play them'.

Like I say I can't confirm this is how the conversation went as I didn't see it but, if true, the comment about having no tactics really does worry me. Surely you can't just pick a team and say line up 442 and let them get on with it. There's a hell of a lot more to football than that.

[aarons2009]

Something I read on another forum worried me. Did anyone see SKD & Ricketts on Goals on Sunday the other week? I didn't see it but apparently they were asked about tactics and how Coyle approaches each game. Apparently Ricketts replied 'we don't really have tactics as such' and then Kev chipped in with 'well we do watch a DVD of the opposition before we play them'.

Like I say I can't confirm this is how the conversation went as I didn't see it but, if true, the comment about having no tactics really does worry me. Surely you can't just pick a team and say line up 442 and let them get on with it. There's a hell of a lot more to football than that.

I watched it and now you come to mention it I think something like that was said from what I remember.

It is very worrying if that is the case, his backroom obviously have no back bone or they would say something but they are not going to risk up setting him and get sacked.

[DaveBWFC]

I remember him saying it. I was surprised at the time but it sounds about right at the moment.

[CaBuell]

Yes Ricketts said that and SKD almost blushed and then came up with some shite about watching DVD's, I see this season being long and expensive. The board did not buy in the Summer and will have to splash the cash if:
1. We Sack Coyle and his entire backroom staff
2. We are deep in it come January (which we will be if we keep the same tactics, er watching the same DVD)

Judging by Saturday's performance DVD must be sex and the City II...

[aarons2009]

Surely the players must be thinking and talking say, all were watching is a fcuking dvd, this guys lost the plot.

I hate to say his name but even you know who must have done more preperation than one dvd of the opposition.

Yes Ricketts said that and SKD almost blushed and then came up with some shite about watching DVD's, I see this season being long and expensive. The board did not buy in the Summer and will have to splash the cash if:
1. We Sack Coyle and his entire backroom staff

I think gartside has coyles back that even if we got relegated he would still be here.

[spike]

Was talking to a few Norwich fans in Tesco cafe,they said that was the worst side they have played in a long while including all the divisions. Our players are simply not good enough for the Premier, at present I think that we are the worst team and unless we spend some money in January,we will be going down,if it's not to late by then

I too caught up with my colleague today who follows Norwich home and away....he said we are the poorest side they've played and he couldn't believe how unbelievably slow our forward line was and how pedestrian our play was...

Although, he said, that Ngog, Petrov and Eagles all looked sharper in the second half, but as we saw, too little, too late....the changes should have been rung throughout the side - keeper, defence, midfield and attack at the start, not at half time, when we are 2-0 and a man down...

I think Coyle could still be the man for us, but he needs to show some b*lls and chop the weak links from the team, to at least try somethng different...

btw - at 0-0, we defend a corner, at home, to the second favourites for relegation and we have every man back in our own area....at least show some endeavour and don't leave four men unmarked outside the box to pick up our every clearance....(when it's not in the back of the net that is)

Back to 4-1-4-1 for Chelski..........

Steinsson Boyata Cahill Robbo
              Muamba
Kakuta Reo-Coker Mavies Petrov
               Ngog

[RustyMcHayes]

I seem to remember Bruce Rioch once saying in an interview, i think it was with Des Lynam after one of the white hot games, and Rioch said something like "we don't really talk about the opposition, we worry about what we are going to do and how we are going to play". That's all well and good in the old 2nd Division but in the Prem it's a different story.

I think it's way to early to start talk about sacking him though - I had a very enjoyable season last year and saw some of the most entertaining games in years. Yes things went tits up when we lost the semi and the run in was poor but we really did miss Holden.

There's no excuses this time though for still missing Holden as he has had the whole summer to put it right. My fear is though, no matter what players you have, if you don't have sound tactics (or any tactics for that matter), then you are always going to struggle.

[aarons2009]

I find it shocking that a manager who has got all of his badges and must have worked hard for them only has one system.

He must be one of the most naive managers in the game to think 4-4-2 works against every opposition.

[jayjay23]

Did anyone notice how on our corners Norwich kept at least two players on half way. That meant that we had to keep 3 defenders back plus Jussi. Gave them a numerical advantage in the box and an outlet up the field as well as the potential to counter quickly.

I hate how we have everyone behind the ball. Lots of small changes could make all the difference. And some big changes too.

[RustyMcHayes]

I agree about corners, there's no need to have everyone back.

United were leaving 3 up against us - that is the first time i have seen that in all my years watching football. But it meant we only had 4 in their box for our corners which was a complete waste of time. Virtually every corner we had lead to United counter attacks and I think one of them was a goal. It is a great tactic that if you have confidence in your players to pull it off.

[Big_Sharps]

The logic behind it probably is that Owen knows we have a slow as fcúk team so are not likely to counter attack anybody, if you look at the team that started nobody in team is blessed with pace and once Ngog was on we only had 10 men on the pitch.

[aarons2009]

The logic behind it probably is that Owen knows we have a slow as fcúk team so are not likely to counter attack anybody, if you look at the team that started nobody in team is blessed with pace and once Ngog was on we only had 10 men on the pitch.

I also think it's a tactic that has been used by different managers for years so no new manager has ever bothered to try changing it no matter if it works or not.