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Equally you can't win football matches without being able to defend goals.
And you don't win matches by putting 11 men behind the ball. They're called strikers because they strike, not because they defend. I wouldn't consider a future in football coaching if I was you. |
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« Reply #26 on: 29 August 2011, 03:11 PM » |
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And you don't win matches by putting 11 men behind the ball.
They're called strikers because they strike, not because they defend.
I wouldn't consider a future in football coaching if I was you.
The concept is not about putting 11 men behind the ball, its about having all 11 men putting the opposition under pressure, making it difficult for them to play football. |
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« Reply #27 on: 29 August 2011, 03:12 PM » |
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The concept is not about putting 11 men behind the ball, its about having all 11 men putting the opposition under pressure, making it difficult for them to play football.
So you'd rather have a striker who ran around a lot but scored less goals? |
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« Reply #28 on: 29 August 2011, 03:19 PM » |
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A balance is needed.
I'd rather have a 8-10 goal a season striker that chases the opposition down than a 20 goal a season striker that runs for nowt.
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« Reply #29 on: 29 August 2011, 03:20 PM » |
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So you'd rather have a striker who ran around a lot but scored less goals?
Depends if the team wins |
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« Reply #30 on: 29 August 2011, 03:25 PM » |
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Ah JayJay... the classic armchair pundit. Here we have a guy who never goes (up until this season) but yet feels sufficiently qualified to pick apart every decision every manager and player makes, and remind us that is he who should be prowling the touchline instead. I'm only surprised that there isn't a "well this tactic got me the title with Bolton on Football Manager" comment in there somewhere.
I know there's a few more words in the original post but all I see is "I was right, look at me, aren't I special." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that we would get beat by Man City and Liverpool. I think that statement would also go for all bar about 10 clubs in the world. You can pick holes in Coyle's team and philosophy all you like but we are never going to be able to compete with them in terms of the transfer market.
Therefore we have the squad we have, and I'm telling you now we could have put any combination of those players available to us, in any shape, with any pre-match team-talk from Coyle... and we'd have had the same result. Liverpool are a quality side, and are ready to show people why they deserve to be back fighting for the top honours of this game. They rarely get results other than wins at Anfield, and many of the mid-table sides like ourselves (Everton, Fulham, West Brom, Wolves, Stoke) will go there and get outplayed just like we did.
It's a fact of life, it's the way of the football world. When you go to the top grounds you are going to need to play out of your skin, every player, and hope that they have an off-day. And even if that all happens you will need a bit of luck to get something, the luck which deserted us twice against Liverpool last season.
But hey, you want your little moment of glory so you can dance about and claim you were right and from your computer could see the world better than the rest of us. Who am I to stand in your way?
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« Reply #31 on: 29 August 2011, 03:28 PM » |
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Depends if the team wins
I think some of you are dreaming. If you seriously think we'd score more goals if Klasnic did more chasing you know nothing about football. Klasnic gets in the right positions because he's not having to chase back to the halfway line to put pressure on the opposition. Bo Hansen used to run about like a madman. He didn't score many goals. |
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« Reply #32 on: 29 August 2011, 03:29 PM » |
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Ah JayJay... the classic armchair pundit. Here we have a guy who never goes (up until this season) but yet feels sufficiently qualified to pick apart every decision every manager and player makes, and remind us that is he who should be prowling the touchline instead. I'm only surprised that there isn't a "well this tactic got me the title with Bolton on Football Manager" comment in there somewhere.
I know there's a few more words in the original post but all I see is "I was right, look at me, aren't I special." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that we would get beat by Man City and Liverpool. I think that statement would also go for all bar about 10 clubs in the world. You can pick holes in Coyle's team and philosophy all you like but we are never going to be able to compete with them in terms of the transfer market.
Therefore we have the squad we have, and I'm telling you now we could have put any combination of those players available to us, in any shape, with any pre-match team-talk from Coyle... and we'd have had the same result. Liverpool are a quality side, and are ready to show people why they deserve to be back fighting for the top honours of this game. They rarely get results other than wins at Anfield, and many of the mid-table sides like ourselves (Everton, Fulham, West Brom, Wolves, Stoke) will go there and get outplayed just like we did.
It's a fact of life, it's the way of the football world. When you go to the top grounds you are going to need to play out of your skin, every player, and hope that they have an off-day. And even if that all happens you will need a bit of luck to get something, the luck which deserted us twice against Liverpool last season.
But hey, you want your little moment of glory so you can dance about and claim you were right and from your computer could see the world better than the rest of us. Who am I to stand in your way?
Calm down Rabz, I think you've just had a breakdown. I agree with 90% of what you say, but a bit of passion and commitment goes a long way. We had none on Saturday and the only surprise was we didn't get hammered. |
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« Reply #33 on: 29 August 2011, 03:35 PM » |
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Yes, the attitude was all wrong against Liverpool. We show that team far too much respect.
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« Reply #34 on: 29 August 2011, 03:42 PM » |
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Ah JayJay... the classic armchair pundit. Here we have a guy who never goes (up until this season) but yet feels sufficiently qualified to pick apart every decision every manager and player makes, and remind us that is he who should be prowling the touchline instead. I'm only surprised that there isn't a "well this tactic got me the title with Bolton on Football Manager" comment in there somewhere.
I know there's a few more words in the original post but all I see is "I was right, look at me, aren't I special." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that we would get beat by Man City and Liverpool. I think that statement would also go for all bar about 10 clubs in the world. You can pick holes in Coyle's team and philosophy all you like but we are never going to be able to compete with them in terms of the transfer market.
Therefore we have the squad we have, and I'm telling you now we could have put any combination of those players available to us, in any shape, with any pre-match team-talk from Coyle... and we'd have had the same result. Liverpool are a quality side, and are ready to show people why they deserve to be back fighting for the top honours of this game. They rarely get results other than wins at Anfield, and many of the mid-table sides like ourselves (Everton, Fulham, West Brom, Wolves, Stoke) will go there and get outplayed just like we did.
It's a fact of life, it's the way of the football world. When you go to the top grounds you are going to need to play out of your skin, every player, and hope that they have an off-day. And even if that all happens you will need a bit of luck to get something, the luck which deserted us twice against Liverpool last season.
But hey, you want your little moment of glory so you can dance about and claim you were right and from your computer could see the world better than the rest of us. Who am I to stand in your way?
I don't often read people waffling on because it is mostly bullshit by clueless twats like JayJay but that is all spot on and I think you should go to his house and burn it down to the ground. |
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« Reply #35 on: 29 August 2011, 04:17 PM » |
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I don't often read people waffling on because it is mostly bullshit by clueless twats like JayJay but that is all spot on and I think you should go to his house and burn it down to the ground.
It's the one next door to Peter Kay's. |
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« Reply #36 on: 29 August 2011, 06:52 PM » |
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A balance is needed.
I'd rather have a 8-10 goal a season striker that chases the opposition down than a 20 goal a season striker that runs for nowt.
Surprise surprise. I agree with Doffycocker! It's no use having a striker who scores in every game if we lose every game. Klasnic may score, like against City and Liverpool but goals on his stats don't do us any good if the team lose. The fact is the team are having to carry Klasnic to the point that at times we are playing with the equivelent of ten men. Bolton Wanderers having 10 against 11 in the Premier League is pretty much a loss. So even if Klasnic does score we still come out with no points. |
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« Reply #37 on: 29 August 2011, 06:56 PM » |
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Ah JayJay... the classic armchair pundit. Here we have a guy who never goes (up until this season) but yet feels sufficiently qualified to pick apart every decision every manager and player makes, and remind us that is he who should be prowling the touchline instead. I'm only surprised that there isn't a "well this tactic got me the title with Bolton on Football Manager" comment in there somewhere.
I know there's a few more words in the original post but all I see is "I was right, look at me, aren't I special." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that we would get beat by Man City and Liverpool. I think that statement would also go for all bar about 10 clubs in the world. You can pick holes in Coyle's team and philosophy all you like but we are never going to be able to compete with them in terms of the transfer market.
Therefore we have the squad we have, and I'm telling you now we could have put any combination of those players available to us, in any shape, with any pre-match team-talk from Coyle... and we'd have had the same result. Liverpool are a quality side, and are ready to show people why they deserve to be back fighting for the top honours of this game. They rarely get results other than wins at Anfield, and many of the mid-table sides like ourselves (Everton, Fulham, West Brom, Wolves, Stoke) will go there and get outplayed just like we did.
It's a fact of life, it's the way of the football world. When you go to the top grounds you are going to need to play out of your skin, every player, and hope that they have an off-day. And even if that all happens you will need a bit of luck to get something, the luck which deserted us twice against Liverpool last season.
But hey, you want your little moment of glory so you can dance about and claim you were right and from your computer could see the world better than the rest of us. Who am I to stand in your way?
Wow, you're getting a little wound up aren't you. The fact is we could have done more against Liverpool. We may very well have still lost but we definately could have come out of the game better than we did. Another team will go to anfield this season and get a point or better. And I'm not talking United or Chelsea, I mean Swansea or QPR or something. They will go with a better formation, better drills, and better tactics. We could have done more. Who else's heart sank a little when the same 11 were announced again on Saturday? |
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« Reply #38 on: 29 August 2011, 07:11 PM » |
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Wanderers having 10 against 11 in the Premier League is pretty much a loss. So even if Klasnic does score we still come out with no points. Someone didn't watch the Stoke game last season. |
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« Reply #39 on: 29 August 2011, 07:55 PM » |
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Wow, you're getting a little wound up aren't you.
The fact is we could have done more against Liverpool. We may very well have still lost but we definately could have come out of the game better than we did. Another team will go to anfield this season and get a point or better. And I'm not talking United or Chelsea, I mean Swansea or QPR or something. They will go with a better formation, better drills, and better tactics.
We could have done more. Who else's heart sank a little when the same 11 were announced again on Saturday?
Teams like Swansea and QPR will only get anything if Liverpool were not firing on all cylinders. The fact is on Saturday, Liverpool were the much better side and what ever side we put out would have been beaten because they played very well even if we were not at the races. Pick holes in OC's team selection all you want the fact is we were beaten by the better side and would have been even if we had played better IMO because there team played well. |
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« Reply #40 on: 29 August 2011, 08:01 PM » |
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Surprise surprise. I agree with Doffycocker!
It's no use having a striker who scores in every game if we lose every game. I think you've lost the plot. You don't lose games because your striker scores a goal. |
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Teams like Swansea and QPR will only get anything if Liverpool were not firing on all cylinders.
The fact is on Saturday, Liverpool were the much better side and what ever side we put out would have been beaten because they played very well even if we were not at the races.
Pick holes in OC's team selection all you want the fact is we were beaten by the better side and would have been even if we had played better IMO because there team played well.
I can't agree with that. I can think of plenty of games where we have been comprehensively outplayed and still gotten something out of it. Consider the 2-0 win over Liverpool in 2006, it was backs-to-the-wall stuff for the entire game but we got a couple of lucky goals and got the 3 points. Even against Man City, totally outplayed by a much better team and yet we fought to 3-2. I mean if what you say is true, why even show up? |
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I can't agree with that. I can think of plenty of games where we have been comprehensively outplayed and still gotten something out of it. Consider the 2-0 win over Liverpool in 2006, it was backs-to-the-wall stuff for the entire game but we got a couple of lucky goals and got the 3 points.
Even against Man City, totally outplayed by a much better team and yet we fought to 3-2. I mean if what you say is true, why even show up?
Agreed. The thing is. Bolton could have put out a more, lets say, efficient team. We didnt know in advance that Liverpool were going to play so well. What if they had only performed 80% as well. The team we had out there would have still lost. But a different set up might have been enough to get something out of a below par Liverpool. |
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« Reply #43 on: 30 August 2011, 01:20 AM » |
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Late to the conversation but I wouldn't drop Klasnic either - against the big clubs I'd rather have SKD move to the right side, where he can try to win balls in the air against fullbacks (which he often does anyway) and slot in Tuncay or Mavies at attacking mid to support Klasnic and bolster the midfield. I have nothing against Eagles as he's just gotten here, but he was way off the pace and I feel like right now he might be better off coming on as a sub.
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As we know United put 8 past Arsenal, arguably the best "footballing" side around.
We are not going to beat Man Utd if we try to play 442 with Davies and Klasnic up top and Eagles and Petrov wide. We also have to be looking at Knight, Steinsson and sad to say Robinson (just cos of pace lackage) in defence and wondering what we can change there.
And in midfield it's time Muamba did't start too.
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As we know United put 8 past Arsenal, arguably the best "footballing" side around.
We are not going to beat Man Utd if we try to play 442 with Davies and Klasnic up top and Eagles and Petrov wide. We also have to be looking at Knight, Steinsson and sad to say Robinson (just cos of pace lackage) in defence and wondering what we can change there.
And in midfield it's time Muamba did't start too.
So no Davies, Klasnic, Petrov, eagles, Knight, Steinsson, Robbo and Muamba? fcúk it lets put the reserves out then. |
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