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« on: 23 July 2011, 03:51 PM » |
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At least 84 people died when a gunman opened fire at an island youth camp in Norway, hours after a deadly bombing in the capital, Oslo, police say.
Police have charged a 32-year-old Norwegian man over both attacks.
The man dressed as a police officer was arrested on tiny Utoeya island after an hour-long shooting spree. The search for other possible victims continues.
The Oslo bombing killed at least seven. Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said the attacks were "like a nightmare".
Mr Stoltenberg, whose offices were among those badly hit by the blast, described the attacks as a national tragedy.
"Never since the Second World War has our country been hit by a crime on this scale," he told a news conference in Oslo.
He added that he was due to have been on Utoeya - "a youth paradise turned into a hell" - a few hours after the attack took place. Many others were injured there as well as those who died.
Mr Stoltenberg said civil servants were among the dead in Oslo and he knew some of those killed. "Beyond that I cannot give further details while the police carry out their investigation."
He said it was too early too comment on a possible motive for the attacks. No group has said it carried them out. Later, Mr Stoltenberg travelled to a hotel near Utoeya where relatives and survivors have gathered.
The suspect is reported by local media to have had links with right-wing extremists. He has been named as Anders Behring Breivik. Police searched his Oslo apartment overnight and are questioning him.
The BBC's Richard Galpin, near the island, says that Norway has had problems with neo-Nazi groups in the past but the assumption was that such groups had been largely eliminated and did not pose a significant threat.
Police say they are investigating whether the attacks were the work of one man or whether others helped.
"At Utoeya, the water is still being searched for more victims," deputy police chief Roger Andresen told reporters.
"We have no more information than... what has been found on [his] own websites, which is that it goes towards the right and that it is, so to speak, Christian fundamentalist."
A farm supply firm has confirmed selling six tonnes of fertiliser to Mr Breivik who is reported to have run a farming company. Speculation has been rife that fertiliser could have been used in the Oslo bomb.
'Posed as policeman'
The number killed in the island shooting spree, which is among the world's most deadly, had been put at 10 on Friday - but soared overnight. Hundreds of young people had been attending the summer camp organised by the governing Labour Party on Utoeya island.
Eyewitnesses described how a tall, blond man dressed as a policeman opened fire indiscriminately, prompting camp attendees to jump into the water to try and escape the hail of bullets. Some of the teenagers were shot at as they tried to swim to safety.
Armed police were deployed to the island but details of the operation to capture the suspect remain unclear.
Police say they discovered many more victims after searching the area around the island. They have warned the death toll may rise further as rescue teams continue to scour the waters around the island.
The gunman is reported to have been armed with a handgun, an automatic weapon and a shotgun.
"He travelled on the ferry boat from the mainland over to that little inland island posing as a police officer, saying he was there to do research in connection with the bomb blasts," NRK journalist Ole Torp told the BBC.
"He asked people to gather round and then he started shooting, so these young people fled into the bushes and woods and some even swam off the island to get to safety."
One 15-year-old eyewitness described how she saw what she thought was a police officer open fire.
"He first shot people on the island. Afterward he started shooting people in the water," youth camp delegate Elise told Associated Press.
Witness Daniel Cherubini says it was "absolute chaos" in Oslo following Friday's bombing
Mr Stoltenberg had been due to visit the camp on Saturday. Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store, who visited the camp on Thursday, praised those who were attending.
"The country has no finer youth than young people who go for a summer camp doing politics, doing discussions, doing training, doing football, and then they experience this absolutely horrendous act of violence," he said.
'Despicable violence'
In Oslo, government officials urged people to stay at home and avoid central areas of the city.
Shards of twisted metal, rubble and glass littered the streets of central Oslo left devastated by Friday's enormous explosion.
Windows in the buildings of the government quarter were shattered and witnesses described how smoke filled the atmosphere around the blast site.
There are also concerns that more victims may still be inside buildings hit by the initial massive explosion.
Emergency services have had difficulty accessing these buildings amid concerns about further possible explosions as well as fears the blast may have left buildings unstable.
Deadly shootings worldwide
•July 2011: At least 84 killed at a summer camp on the Norwegian island of Utoeya, hours after bomb blast in capital Oslo •April 2007: Seung-Hui Cho, 23, kills 32 people and himself on Virginia Tech campus in the US •April 2002: Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, kills 16 people before killing himself in Erfurt, Germany •April 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, open fire at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado killing 13 people before taking their own lives •April 1996: Martin Bryant, 29, kills 35 people in the seaside resort of Port Arthur in Tasmania, Australia •March 1996: Thomas Hamilton, 43, kills 16 children and their teacher in a school in Dunblane, Scotland - before killing himself bomb.
Credit: BBC.co.uk After reading that from the "eye account", it obviously gives us an insight to what goes on, however I do feel that the media / press should show abit more respect to them people who have just been in a traumatic event and what they have just been through and not ask them question after question after question. "Give me a story!". Typical
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Big_Sharps
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« Reply #1 on: 23 July 2011, 03:55 PM » |
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Are the 2 incidents linked at all?
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« Reply #2 on: 23 July 2011, 04:11 PM » |
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Are the 2 incidents linked at all?
They think so. The guy who did it has a far right website apparently.
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« Reply #3 on: 23 July 2011, 04:16 PM » |
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They think so. The guy who did it has a far right website apparently.
How far right?
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« Reply #4 on: 23 July 2011, 04:18 PM » |
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Very very far if this behaviour is anything to go by.
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« Reply #5 on: 23 July 2011, 04:34 PM » |
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They just said he was a fundamentalist christian on Sky.
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« Reply #6 on: 23 July 2011, 04:36 PM » |
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Yeah, sadly.
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« Reply #7 on: 23 July 2011, 04:40 PM » |
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Whats one of them when they are at home?
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« Reply #8 on: 23 July 2011, 04:42 PM » |
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Right Wing mentals i think.
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« Reply #9 on: 23 July 2011, 04:46 PM » |
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I will reserve judgement on this being a Christian thing as this seems a bit out of character, I will wait to see if anybody else is to blame for this.
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« Reply #10 on: 23 July 2011, 05:00 PM » |
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They said he was "anti-immigration."
What a sad event.
bad bad times.
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« Reply #11 on: 23 July 2011, 05:08 PM » |
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Anders Behring Breivik, the main suspect in the Norwegian bomb attacks and shootings, has been described by police as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing views.
On the Facebook page attributed to him, Breivik describes himself as a Christian and a conservative and lists It listed his interests as hunting, body building and freemasonry.
Police chief Svinung Sponheim said that internet posting by Breivik suggested he has “some political traits directed toward the right, and anti-Muslim views”.
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« Reply #12 on: 23 July 2011, 05:09 PM » |
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Oh and for the records, this guy isn't a Christian.
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« Reply #13 on: 23 July 2011, 07:25 PM » |
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So the police are wrong?
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« Reply #14 on: 23 July 2011, 07:36 PM » |
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You can call yourself anything, Pedersen; it doesn't make it so. A Christian wouldn't do what he has done, regardless of how extreme their views are.
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« Reply #15 on: 23 July 2011, 07:44 PM » |
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He believed he was a christian...
There are a lot of people who call themselves that who hold his views but don't do stuff like this.
That guy who shot the abortion doctor comes to mind.
sick sick sick people; brainwashed by religion.
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« Reply #16 on: 23 July 2011, 08:10 PM » |
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You can call yourself anything, Pedersen; it doesn't make it so. A Christian wouldn't do what he has done, regardless of how extreme their views are. I'm sorry Jamster but that's a weak argument. It's early yet, we don't know everything about this guy, and it may turn out the characterization of him we have right now is wrong. However, there is ample precedent for this kind of thing in the Bible and Christian history.
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« Reply #17 on: 23 July 2011, 08:16 PM » |
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Yeah, I have a feeling there is allot more to this.
If he is a Christian, (in his own mind), So a Christian conservative kills 80 - 90 people, just to prove their wings' values, are the right path for people?
I just can't believe that.
This could all be a big set up.
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« Reply #18 on: 23 July 2011, 08:20 PM » |
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You don't think a Christian could kill?
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« Reply #19 on: 23 July 2011, 08:38 PM » |
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Oh no, I think they could and they have, Le God, It;s more the reasons we are led to believe. His motive for doing it and the apparent amount of people who were killed, are the things I can't quite get my head around.
Rather than could a christian kill, it's more to do with the reasoning behind it, what I just can't understand and that's why I think, like I said, there is more to this than meets the eye.
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« Reply #20 on: 23 July 2011, 10:15 PM » |
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Just shocking.
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Malcolm "Mr Bolton" Everett: Bolton's biggest fan
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« Reply #21 on: 24 July 2011, 12:00 AM » |
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he was a fundamentalist christian on Sky.
Which channel? I blame Murdoch.
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Everybody is a genius. But, if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will spend its whole life believing that it is stupid
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« Reply #22 on: 24 July 2011, 09:51 AM » |
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You can call yourself anything, Pedersen; it doesn't make it so. A Christian wouldn't do what he has done, regardless of how extreme their views are.
2 words to counter-act that theory...... The Crusades There are extremists in all various forms of religion - up until now, during this century, its been the extreme fundamentalists from the Muslim community. So why should there not be extreme fundamentalitsts in the Christian community?
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« Reply #23 on: 24 July 2011, 10:00 AM » |
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You can call yourself anything, Pedersen; it doesn't make it so. A Christian wouldn't do what he has done, regardless of how extreme their views are.
So the "Christian" groups in the US who murder abortion doctors, what are they?
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« Reply #24 on: 24 July 2011, 10:08 AM » |
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I see on the news the guy who has done this has admitted to doing it but denies he has broke the law. I wonder how he works that out?
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