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« on: 09 February 2009, 04:19 PM »

Chelsea have sacked Scolari!

If you ask me, they're not good enough to be challenging for the honours. If you look through their side, it isn't as strong as it was 2 or 3 years ago for me.

Zola the favourite for the job apparently! Crazy!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1 on: 09 February 2009, 04:27 PM »

SSN saying Gus Hiddink and Avram Grant are on the shortlist, working TOGETHER. Can't see Grant going back.
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« Reply #2 on: 09 February 2009, 05:05 PM »

Nothing i didn't know would happen. Every Portuguese or mostly hate Scolari, he is a very week coach in terms of tactics. He just puts 11 on the pitch and prays with them to his saint "Nossa Senhora de Caravaggio".

Chelsea will get Mancini, probably or Frank Rijjkaard.

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« Reply #3 on: 09 February 2009, 05:12 PM »

Tony Adams is currently available.

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« Reply #4 on: 09 February 2009, 05:51 PM »

Only Mourinho and is rigid mind could make Chelsea what is was again! ehhehe

Scolari accepted the offer to coach Chelsea during the Euro2008 while in the Hotel with the Portuguese Squad. Big SOB he called up 14 players from the same "Agent" to build the squad for the EuroCup. Now he leaves Chelsea with a couple of million pounds. Ahh just for you guys to know: Deco, Ricardo Carvalho, Bosingwa, Quaresma, Paulo Ferreira and Hilario are all from the same "Agent" http://www.gestifute.com/gestifute/index.php?lg=2
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« Reply #5 on: 09 February 2009, 10:14 PM »

Who are you all going for then?

Mancini's agent has said no, as has Hiddink's. Riijkard is actually sounding like a decent shout, but I've not heard his name mentioned anywhere.

It'll be interesting to hear what Avram Grant says as he's being linked to both Chelsea and Pompey. I can't see Grant being appointed at Chelsea! I don't think there's any chance of it, not on his own anyway!
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« Reply #6 on: 09 February 2009, 10:28 PM »

They won't win the Premier League, so they have to fight for the Champions League duel against Juventus, they need a top notch manager! they need to get an experienced manager like Mancini, Rijkaard, I don't think Hidink will go cause he is trying to get Russia to win the Group Stages but hasn't yet renewed is contact with the Russian Federation so he is a possible bet for the next role has manager, Zola is a youngster still, Grant is overrated and who else is free? Deschamps? Don't believe the will want to get the Frenchmen he is also a youngster in a managerial role. There is also Luciano Spalletti form Roma good coach! So many possibilities.

The list is LONG eheheh

Guus Hiddink
Frank Rijkaard
Luciano Spalletti
Gianfranco Zola
Roberto Mancini
Avram Grant                       
Sven Goran Eriksson         
Mark Hughes
Louis van Gaal
David Moyes
lMichael Laudrup
Slaven Bilic
Marco van Basten
Fabio Capello
Marcelo Lippi
Jurgen Klinsmann
Gerard Houllier
Dick Advocaat
Dennis Wise   
Steve Clarke
Terry Venables
Martin Jol
Ruud Gullitt
Roy Keane
Ottmar Hitzfeld
Carlos Queiroz
Henk ten Cate
Giovanni Trapattoni
Zico
Manuel Pelligrini
And to end this list who knows, maybe Christ himself is mad enough to manage this squad. lol             
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« Reply #7 on: 10 February 2009, 02:00 PM »

CHELSEA GIVEN OKAY FOR HIDDINK TALKS

Chelsea Football Club can confirm we have officially approached the Russian Football Union (RFU) for permission to speak to Guus Hiddink to become the club's temporary coach until the end of the season while continuing to be in charge of the Russian national team.

That permission has been granted and Chelsea would like to thank the RFU for their co-operation.

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~1552160,00.html
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« Reply #8 on: 10 February 2009, 06:04 PM »

Just seen that on SSN. Looks like he's agreed to it until the end of the season.
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« Reply #9 on: 11 February 2009, 04:48 PM »

HIDDINK TAKES OVER
Posted on: Wed 11 Feb 2009

Chelsea Football Club is delighted to confirm Guus Hiddink will become temporary coach until the end of the season.

He is due to meet the players later this week.

The club would like to take this opportunity to thank the Russian Football Union for their understanding and cooperation.

The 62-year-old has been with the Russian national team since 2006, guiding them to the semi-finals of Euro 2008, a competition they qualified for at the expense of England.

During that qualifying campaign, Russia beat an English side in Moscow that included Frank Lampard, Shaun Wright-Phillips and Joe Cole. Captain John Terry was absent through injury.



During the summer tournament, Hiddink's Russia excelled, cruising through the group stages with wins against Greece and Sweden, before quarter-final victory over his native Holland.

It was that 3-1 extra-time victory that made everyone sit up and take notice of the Russians' attacking vigour, before defeat to eventual champions Spain saw them eliminated.

The Russian role is Hiddink's fourth at international level, following successful spells with Australia, where in 2006 he led the country to its first World Cup Finals since 1974, South Korea, where he guided the co-host nation to fourth place in 2002, having earlier in the tournament secured their first ever win in the tournament, and Holland, who also reached the last four of the World Cup in 1998. It was a Michael Ballack goal that spoilt Korean dreams at the semi-final stage.



Despite this success, Hiddink's mark on the club stage is equally impressive. Upon leaving the South Korean post in 2002 (having been awarded honorary citizenship) he returned to Holland and PSV, for whom he had played during the early 1970s, and coached to a European Cup victory and a hat-trick of Eredivisie titles in the late 1980s. Included was a domestic and European treble in 1988.

His second spell at the Eindhoven club, which he combined for a time with the Australian national coach role, brought more success. Three more league championships in four years, coupled with a semi-final appearance in the Champions League, at a time when domestic Dutch football has lost some of the weight it used to enjoy, was a mighty achievement.

It was only an 89th minute goal by AC Milan that took the Italians past PSV to play Liverpool in the 2005 Final in Istanbul.

Hiddink's initial spell in Eindhoven was followed by a one-season stay in Turkey at Fenerbahçe before an association with Spanish league football that would occupy him for the greater part of the 1990s began.

Three years at Valencia, in which the club twice finished fourth, were brought to an end by the offer of the Dutch national job but when Hiddink returned to the Iberian peninsula, it was to the Bernabéu and the top job with Real Madrid.

The World Club Cup was won but the capital's famous club proved impatient when domestic results didn't immediately match that triumph and he left after just half of the 1998/99 season, moving quickly south to take charge of Real Betis.

He remained in Seville until the end of the 1999/00 season when his career path turned back towards international management and the South Korea challenge where a reputation for producing attacking, high-tempo football was further enhanced.

Speaking about the appointment, Hiddink said: '[Roman] Abramovich does so much for Russian football that I wanted to do something back.'

'There are two scenarios: it goes bad and they say "go back east" or it goes well, but I'm not thinking that far ahead.'

Source: http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~1553382,00.html

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I'm curious on watching the next matches and see what kind of tactic he will put to work.

I remember watching PSV games when he was the coach he used:
System: 4x3x3 Variant: 4x1x2x3
Alternative. 4x3x2x1

Closed in less traditional catechism tactical orange, when Hiddink was the coach of top more open to other trends. PSV played a 4x3x3 or 4x1x3x2, open the full width of the site, with flanking wings, and a quartet always retreated to defend high (Reiziger-Lamey on the side, am always willing to go up support, and Alex-Ooijer as dual very strong core, and cut the air in the game), supported by a pivot construction and rehabilitation, and Simons, often in the dynamics of tactics, the old Cocu, who thanks to his experience is always the path of the ball.

Symbols of the Dutch school, the systems of three defenses cross, therefore, a skeptic in the current cycle lawns oranges. The principles include the game, however, in its handling, which is often the teams are in possession of the ball, defending with only three men, but as a prophet of the avant garde type of defence of '3 .

PSV: 4-3-3
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« Reply #10 on: 11 February 2009, 06:03 PM »

Thanks Marado - some great stuff there.

If I were the manager of Chelsea I would work from the forwards backwards.

What I mean is do I start with Drogba (if he stays) then how do I get the best from him - do I play Anelka too?  How do I get the ball to Drogba / Anelka - Quaresma from the wing or Deco through the middle or both?  Then how do I win the ball - Essien and or Mikel.  Whose my engine - Lampard?  Do I want attacking wing backs if I'm already playing Quaresma or do I want them more for defensive duties?  Goalkeeper and centre backs are obvious.  So the picking of the team to what I consider its strengths to some extent picks the formation.

Yes I know that is a little bit too simple and you have to consider the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition and guess how they may play to nullify your team - but if I've got some of the best players in the world I would be trying to work out how to get the best from them rather to worry overly on formations.

My plan B would be to crowd the midfield and counter attack at pace using my wing backs with the pace of Anelka through the middle.

Quite easy being a manager really!

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« Reply #11 on: 11 February 2009, 07:01 PM »

It's not simple has you say, it is very hard, in my opinion the hardest part of managing is to control the players, i mean.

In Chelsea you have 3 center midfielders that want to be the head of the operation, to control the passing style of the game (Deco, Lampard, Ballack) and this is very very hard to control inside and outside the pitch. I think that Lampard is the best of the three cause he is more box-to-box and he is the player out of these three that can think faster and pass faster in my opinion. These where the same problems that Mourinho faced when he was coach and Kenyon was choosing the players to buy in the likes of Ballack, Bem-Haim, Shevchenko.

There are so many possibilities in choosing a tactic in the Chelsea squad, practically any tactic would work, so many good players.

In my opinion i would play a 4-3-1-2 with Joe Cole coming back to help the midfield when they loose the ball, you need a strong midfield cause Bosingwa and Cole are more wingers than true full backs, they are more effective running up the flank to help the forward winger than they are defending in the back. That's way i would choose Mikel, Essien and Lampard to dominate the midfield and leave the forward winger Kalou (Positioned on the left wing, to run to the middle) to support directly Drogba, come on people they play together in the National Team of Ivory Coast. Ballack, Deco, Quaresma and the rest would be fine heating up the Bench during matches and doing stretching's in the half-time. eheh

Cech


Bosingwa-------Carvalho-------Terry-------Cole


Obi Mikel


Essien--------------Lampard


Cole


Drogba (Center terrain)--------------Kalou (Left Flank)
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« Reply #12 on: 11 February 2009, 09:47 PM »

You are right Marado - these days you not only have to get the best out of your players on the pitch but deal with them off the pitch too - as everyone of them are millionaires who probably believe they should be playing in the team instead of someone else.

The first time I realised how clever Mouriniho was, was when he said he only wanted a small squad.  At first I did not understand - because he could have bought any player he wanted - but I finally understood that is was by having a small team he was more able to keep everyone happy and have a united dressing room.

Hiddink is Abramovich's man.  It will be interesting to see if he brings the 'attractive' winning football that apparently Abramovich want's but up to now no manager has delivered.
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« Reply #13 on: 11 February 2009, 10:41 PM »

That's all true, if you follow Inter Milan, you see that Mourinho already snubbed some out of the squad, such as:
- Quaresma at Chelsea
- Ballotelli is always being not called up, in the beginning at least and in the past few weeks
- Adriano in the Beginning of the season, was sent off a couple of times, due to lack of form, interrest, getting late to training ground etc..etc..
- Dacourt on loan to Fullham
- David Suazo at Benfica
- Maxwell is also on the bench or sitting in the stadium in the last month, cause he is not giving is 100% to the team, has been replaced by Santon on the left

In Italy most squad have over 28/30 players and in England some squad also have just too many players, the season is long I know, but if you can rotate the players, they will always be happy and everything goes better.

And even with all these loans, Inter Squad still has 29 players!! Just too Much!!
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