Moral Dilemma - Is Murdering a Paedophile / Child killer a good thing?

[Martinbwfc]

I'ts a Dilemma, but if you go by the book i'ts wrong for somebody to take another persons life, personally i think it was fate that the cnut got what he deserved . not saying it's right , but life has a funny way way of sorting the Bastards out.

 In other words i wont lose any sleep over the Bastard,just a pity That Twat Huntley still fc'ing Breathing.

It's not a dilemma, just someone who did the UK a service, and by doing so will probably never see the light of day again, which seems a sad indictment, of British judiciary, I don't know what the killer was sent down for, but he has killed and tried to kill two of Englands most hated indivudals. The guy has done wrong, but he has done the families of those children a favour, and hopefully some closure in their pursuit of justice.
 

[jayjay23]

Unless you have video evidence of someone actually committing a murder there is always the chance someone could be innocent, regardless of the evidence. For that reason, there should be no death penalty.

Correct.

Also, if somebody who does stuff like murder, rape, child abuse etc does these things then surely they are ill in some way. The way autistic people cant be blamed for what they do. People who do such bad things must be mentally ill in some way. A "normal" functioning member of socioty would not do it. But at what point is the cut off? When do you decide this is prison and or death and this is mental illness and needs help.

Not sure if Im explaining correctly. Azreal would have some good points on this I reckon.

[ReebokTrotter]

I think you need to take a step into the real world.

Do you mean the real world as opposed to the view from Whittam Towers ? I had you down as someone with a modicum of common sense but if you don't accept forensic science technology as an effective tool for seeking out justice then I will have to mark you down as being intellectually inferior.

[ReebokTrotter]

Correct.

Also, if somebody who does stuff like murder, rape, child abuse etc does these things then surely they are ill in some way. The way autistic people cant be blamed for what they do. People who do such bad things must be mentally ill in some way. A "normal" functioning member of socioty would not do it. But at what point is the cut off? When do you decide this is prison and or death and this is mental illness and needs help.

Not sure if Im explaining correctly. Azreal would have some good points on this I reckon.

JayJay, Have you had your wisdom teeth removed by any chance ? Serial Killers and Kiddy fiddlers are not 'ill in some way.' They are evil. They plan their crimes in meticulous detail in a cold, calculating way.

[Big_Sharps]

All this understanding why they behave like this stuff is lefty bullshit, all nonces should be castrated and all murderers should face the death penalty.

[H. Pedersen]

My proposal would be to hold a vote on the legality of the death penalty.  A tally of all those in favor would be kept.  If it is ever revealed though scientific advancement or what have you that an innocent person was put to death, all of the people who voted in favor of the death penalty would be killed.

If you're going to gamble with people's lives, isn't it only fair to put your own on the line?

[Latham8wfc]

Maybe while we are it we can bring back:

The Town Police Clauses Act of 1847, which threatens a fine for hanging washing across the street. Beating or shaking carpets, rugs or mats is also illegal. Doormats may be beaten, but not after eight in the morning. This Act also outlaws the singing of profane or obscene songs or ballads, wantonly discharging firearms, making bonfires, flying kites, sliding on ice or snow, extinguishing a lamp or willfully and wantonly disturbing residents by ringing their doorbells. 

[ReebokTrotter]

My proposal would be to hold a vote on the legality of the death penalty.  A tally of all those in favor would be kept.  If it is ever revealed though scientific advancement or what have you that an innocent person was put to death, all of the people who voted in favor of the death penalty would be killed.

If you're going to gamble with people's lives, isn't it only fair to put your own on the line?

Prior to the advancement in DNA technology, innocent people were sent to prison and hanged for murders they did not commit. The tragic cases of Timothy Evans and Stefan Kiszko are two that spring to mind. Back then, Plod were not 'forensically aware'.

Nowadays innocent people do not get ' fitted up ' . The technology is so advanced that they can now apprehend murderers who have left forensic evidence at the scene of the crime decades ago  but have never been through the legal system and never had their DNA taken. How clever is that ?

One of the finest examples of DNA detection was the case of the English backpackers, Peter Falconio and Joanne Lees. The press got it into their head that she was somehow culpable in her boyfriend's murder because she had slept with another man whilst they were on holiday. She was pilloried as some sort of black window and even appeared on Panorama with Martin Bashir to protest her innocence. Fortunately for her, the real culprit, Bradley Murdoch, left a small speck of his blood on her T shirt when he tried to abduct her.  When he tried to abduct a mother and daughter several months later his DNA was matched to Joanne's T shirt. Game over as I see it.

Latham, Town Police Clauses Act! Bloody hell that brings back memories. It covered a multitude of minor misdemeanours to keep the masses in check.

[Latham8wfc]

Prior to the advancement in DNA technology, innocent people were sent to prison and hanged for murders they did not commit. The tragic cases of Timothy Evans and Stefan Kiszko are two that spring to mind. Back then, Plod were not 'forensically aware'.

Nowadays innocent people do not get ' fitted up ' . The technology is so advanced that they can now apprehend murderers who have left forensic evidence at the scene of the crime decades ago  but have never been through the legal system and never had their DNA taken. How clever is that ?

One of the finest examples of DNA detection was the case of the English backpackers, Peter Falconio and Joanne Lees. The press got it into their head that she was somehow culpable in her boyfriend's murder because she had slept with another man whilst they were on holiday. She was pilloried as some sort of black window and even appeared on Panorama with Martin Bashir to protest her innocence. Fortunately for her, the real culprit, Bradley Murdoch, left a small speck of his blood on her T shirt when he tried to abduct her.  When he tried to abduct a mother and daughter several months later his DNA was matched to Joanne's T shirt. Game over as I see it.

Latham, Town Police Clauses Act! Bloody hell that brings back memories. It covered a multitude of minor misdemeanours to keep the masses in check.

I'm all for the advances in forensic technology and I completely agree that it is almost impossible to commit  murder in countries where this technology is available and not leave behind some kind of forensic evidence. Over 50 people have been taken off death row in America since 1993 due to these advances which adds weight to the argumet that the murderer is more likely, now more than ever, to be apprehended of the crime.
However, DNA and forensic advances in science have zero affect on people wishing to commit murder or violent crimes etc http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201007/why-the-death-penalty-and-the-dna-technology-do-not-deter- and as I previously stated in another post the costs of keeping a person on death row outweighs the cost of keeping someone on a life-sentence so personally I see no reason why we should bring back a law that is generally only practiced in the most un-civilised parts of the whole e.g. Iran, Iraq, Somalia etc, is proven not to deter violent crime and costs the tax-payer more money.....


    

[Big_Sharps]

Prior to the advancement in DNA technology, innocent people were sent to prison and hanged for murders they did not commit. The tragic cases of Timothy Evans and Stefan Kiszko are two that spring to mind. Back then, Plod were not 'forensically aware'.

Nowadays innocent people do not get ' fitted up ' . The technology is so advanced that they can now apprehend murderers who have left forensic evidence at the scene of the crime decades ago  but have never been through the legal system and never had their DNA taken. How clever is that ?

One of the finest examples of DNA detection was the case of the English backpackers, Peter Falconio and Joanne Lees. The press got it into their head that she was somehow culpable in her boyfriend's murder because she had slept with another man whilst they were on holiday. She was pilloried as some sort of black window and even appeared on Panorama with Martin Bashir to protest her innocence. Fortunately for her, the real culprit, Bradley Murdoch, left a small speck of his blood on her T shirt when he tried to abduct her.  When he tried to abduct a mother and daughter several months later his DNA was matched to Joanne's T shirt. Game over as I see it.

Latham, Town Police Clauses Act! Bloody hell that brings back memories. It covered a multitude of minor misdemeanours to keep the masses in check.

Nobody likes to be called a black window so I feel her pain.

[ReebokTrotter]

 Ha Ha Ha.  ( It's one of the pitfalls of being born with six fingers.)

[Abdul-Salam Bilal]

Best way to deal with paedos is to fcúk their kids, that'll learn 'em!

[ReebokTrotter]

Best way to deal with paedos is to fcúk their kids, that'll learn 'em!

Teach them.

[Abdul-Salam Bilal]

Teach them.

Giv mi 5 mins alown wiv dem and id teech em a fing or 2 id mek em wish deyd neva bin borned

[traf]

innit bro

[Abdul-Salam Bilal]

yes braf

[Squidgy]

We live in a namby pamby society so the death penalty will never come around in any shape or form (Although I think it is still technically an option in three scenarios - Regicide (ie: doing the Queen over), arson in a naval dockyard and something else that I can't remember).

Imagine the health and safety bods trying to regulate death row?

I am a great fan of a bit of summary justice. He was a particularly nasty piece of work and deserved everything this was coming to him. Ironically, the person who did it probably deserves to stay inside for the duration as that was not the actions of a normal rational person. Win win situation all around.

[Abdul-Salam Bilal]

Discovered I know this guy the other week:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258027/Paedophile-Gerard-Raffell-walks-free-18-000-pay-victims-parents.html
Definitely makes things more real for me, and I would now agree that I would be unable to control myself if I ever saw him in the street, shíte gets me angry just thinking about it.  Tbf, I still believe the judicial system is the best way to punish people, but I think it has failed here so I think some skull breakage should be acceptable.  Him and his brother are fcuking sick deviants, the least said the better.  Thank Vishnu most ordinary people don't make the laws, hey.

[watty]

Yesterday it was reported that a notorious Paedophile / Child killer was taken 'prisoner' by a fellow in mate and then killed.

The inmate seemed to be wanting to make a bit of a name for himself as he had previously slashed the throat of child killer Ian Huntley (who as part of the 'As the World gone Mad' - is now suing the prison service for not keeping him safe - the cost is expected to be a million to the tax payer - us!).

Now the bloke who was killed - Colin Hatch and Huntley - are both 'lifers' with little if any chance of ever being released.  So what really is the point of looking after them for the remainder of their lives at our expense - and it really is quite a large expense!

On the other hand though who as the right to take the life of someone else - how ever evil they may be?

The mother of the little boy who was sexually abused and killed (just 7 years old) said -

"I'm glad he's dead."

Lynn, whose seven-year-old son Sean was abducted, sexually assaulted and choked to death by Hatch, said: "After I heard I went to the cemetery and I told my son he could finally rest in peace.

"My ex-husband John and my daughter Sarah are ecstatic. They are seeing this as justice being done, that he got what he deserved.

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/02/24/man-accused-of-jail-pervert-colin-hatch-s-death-is-ian-huntley-slasher-suspect-115875-22946034/#ixzz1EsrUtfhU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-12549804

Anybody got any views?

Sad

But he's gotta go

[jimbo_bwfc]

In the case of proven beyond all doubt first-degree murderers, paedophiles and terrorists I believe a death penalty to be fair justice.

In the case of one convict handing out 'justice' by murdering another, no it isn't 'right' but I can also fully understand the family's response and it is more than understandable.

[DaveBWFC]

So when are we killing Martin?

[Jamster26]

No, I don't think a death penalty is the way to go.

[traf]

He should be given the freedom of the nonce wing of the prison and as much weaponry as he wants.

I stand by what I posted 3 months ago.

[Keegan]

Murder fúckers.