Moral Dilemma - Is Murdering a Paedophile / Child killer a good thing?

[Sluffy]

Yesterday it was reported that a notorious Paedophile / Child killer was taken 'prisoner' by a fellow in mate and then killed.

The inmate seemed to be wanting to make a bit of a name for himself as he had previously slashed the throat of child killer Ian Huntley (who as part of the 'As the World gone Mad' - is now suing the prison service for not keeping him safe - the cost is expected to be a million to the tax payer - us!).

Now the bloke who was killed - Colin Hatch and Huntley - are both 'lifers' with little if any chance of ever being released.  So what really is the point of looking after them for the remainder of their lives at our expense - and it really is quite a large expense!

On the other hand though who as the right to take the life of someone else - how ever evil they may be?

The mother of the little boy who was sexually abused and killed (just 7 years old) said -

"I'm glad he's dead."

Lynn, whose seven-year-old son Sean was abducted, sexually assaulted and choked to death by Hatch, said: "After I heard I went to the cemetery and I told my son he could finally rest in peace.

"My ex-husband John and my daughter Sarah are ecstatic. They are seeing this as justice being done, that he got what he deserved.

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/02/24/man-accused-of-jail-pervert-colin-hatch-s-death-is-ian-huntley-slasher-suspect-115875-22946034/#ixzz1EsrUtfhU

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-12549804

Anybody got any views?

[traf]

He should be given the freedom of the nonce wing of the prison and as much weaponry as he wants.

[Jamster26]

There is no justice in murder.

[traf]

An eye for an eye?

[Jamster26]

Is it right to apply that saying to murder though?

[traf]

IMO: yes.

Murderers should be killed.

[DLH]

He shouldn't have been murdered, the chance shouldn't have been there  as he should have been hanged.

[Latham8wfc]

I can understand the comments from the family, however Damien Fowkes should have the conviction of murder added to his attempted murder of Huntley charges.

[Diana Prince]

I'm sure she is glad he has been killed, & I understand why she said it, but in a civilised society it is not the way we like to live/die.
The murderer is in the nonce wing presumably, so I'm sure he's a good judge of society's morals.

[Sluffy]

 I'm old enough to remember hanging (capital punishment) being repealed.

In those days though I thought it was the right thing to do.

If someone - like Hatch or Huntley have definitely done horrible crimes so bad that they will never be let out of prison - then what’s the point in being alive?

They have not only killed children but devastated the families of those kids - it is the parents, brothers sisters, etc who serve the life sentence.  The killers may be sick and not have touch with reality and all that - but they ain't going to get better - so these days I think - put them out of their 'misery' then.

But if you had say a sick kid who was not going to get any better - would you want to end their life early - I wouldn't.

All I can say if that some sicko touched my daughter, I would swing (hang) for them - but if my daughter was born deformed or mentally ill, I would want to enjoy as full and as meaningful life as possible.

I shed no tears for Hatch and am really pleased for the young boys mum and family - wish the others with no chance of being released where terminated too - but maybe I'm wrong about feeling this way?

[Jamster26]

Sluffy, if it ever happened to your daughter, you'd probably feel the same way. I don't think it's wrong for you to feel revengeful, if that ever happened, I think I'd feel the same to be honest, even though I shouldn't.

[Latham8wfc]

Personally I'm against the death penalty and I'm against it in all circumstances...there are two things that happen when a murder or a tragedy occurs: One is the personal grief that the victim and the victim's family are going to feel, and there is no depth that can even measure how great that grief might be. The second thing is how do we punish the person who committed these acts?

As a society we have always recognized that since we're a system of law and not of men or women, we can't allow an individual person's grief to dictate what the punishment should be. Even to the extent we do, executing Huntley is not going to bring back those children. Certainly if executing an individual would bring back a victim, I would be standing in line to encourage people to do that. It would seem that then there would be a greater purpose, but we know that's not going to occur. In fact, many people now state quite definitively that it doesn't bring the closure or the solace or the comfort that many of these victims look to, so it often gives a very false hope to the victims of these tragedies.

[ReebokTrotter]

I think the quest for revenge only truly kicks in when it is your own children or nearest and dearest that have been murdered. Some of these murdering scumbags are living relatively comfortable lives in prison with TV and three square meals a day. All paid for at the taxpayers expense. Hang the fcuking lot of them is what I say. I won't be shedding a tear for the scum.

[Sluffy]

...how do we punish the person who committed these acts?

So your answer as to punishing them is to keep them at the taxpayers expense for the remaining years of their life’s (50, 60 70 plus years perhaps) in relative comfort - housed, clothed, fed, medical provision, training, exercise, etc - all for free to them - and the cost of millions to us!

OK they are deprived of their freedom of movement - but is that a real punishment on say Huntley's case who as snuffed out the life’s of two innocent children?

He will never be let back in to society - so why should society keep him fit and well - just to be kept away from it?

Seems just a pointless (and expensive) exercise to me.

The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime.

[DaveBWFC]

If it is proved without any doubts that a person has committed sexual crimes against a child that person should be killed imho.

[Latham8wfc]

So your answer as to punishing them is to keep them at the taxpayers expense for the remaining years of their life’s (50, 60 70 plus years perhaps) in relative comfort - housed, clothed, fed, medical provision, training, exercise, etc - all for free to them - and the cost of millions to us!

OK they are deprived of their freedom of movement - but is that a real punishment on say Huntley's case who as snuffed out the life’s of two innocent children?

He will never be let back in to society - so why should society keep him fit and well - just to be kept away from it?

Seems just a pointless (and expensive) exercise to me.

The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime.

In terms of costs to the taxpayers it has been proven that the costs of a person being held on death row in American is actually higher than imprisoning a person for life (25years).

Quote taken from 'What Politicians Don't Say About the High Costs of the Death Penalty'
by Richard C. Dieter

'The death penalty is much more expensive than its closest alternative -- life imprisonment with no parole. Capital trials are longer and more expensive at every step than other murder trials. Pre-trial motions, expert witness investigations, jury selection, and the necessity for two trials -- one on guilt and one on sentencing -- make capital cases extremely costly, even before the appeals process begins. Guilty pleas are almost unheard of when the punishment is death. In addition, many of these trials result in a life sentence rather than the death penalty, so the state pays the cost of life imprisonment on top of the expensive trial. '

[Sluffy]

You are of course comparing two completely separate legal systems - the American and the British.

Of course things have moved on since hanging (capital punishment) happened here but I would think if it ever did come back - which I very much doubt it would as we are tied in with European Laws and Human Rights - we still would have a different and probably more expedient system - not least that the American judicial system is greatly influenced by local politics and politicians.

[hjd]

I agree with the death penalty for the abuse or murder of a child, to me there is no worse crime, and if anyone harmed either of my children or my grandchild I would kill them without a second thought. I accept that is the emotion of a parent.

I'm not sure about the death penalty for all murders, there have been too many miscarriages of justice over the years, but for the likes of Huntley, and years ago Brady and Hindley where there is no dispute about their guilt I reckon the  death penalty is right.  

[Natasha Whittam]

Unless you have video evidence of someone actually committing a murder there is always the chance someone could be innocent, regardless of the evidence. For that reason, there should be no death penalty.

[Howfen White]

I don't think there should be a death penalty. For most, it's the easy way out. Look at Huntley for example, how many times has he tried to kill himself? I think the Yorkshire Ripper has been trying it as well. In other words, these scumbags WANT death... and this is in a cushy prison where they get TV's, PS3's, the works.

They should all be on chain gangs sweeping the streets. When the snow comes back again in the winter, get the fuckers clearing the roads. We're paying taxes on these twats, they should be made use of. The second they killed someone is the second they lost their basic human rights in my opinion, make the fuckers work. People will soon clock on to that.

[Natasha Whittam]

I don't think there should be a death penalty.

Why would you, you could be on death row one day.

[ReebokTrotter]

Unless you have video evidence of someone actually committing a murder there is always the chance someone could be innocent, regardless of the evidence. For that reason, there should be no death penalty.

Got to disagree with you on this one, Veronica. Advancement in modern science has virtually debunked the possibility that innocent people are being convicted of crimes they didn't commit. Deoxyribonucleic acid put paid to that argument. Serial killers and Kiddy Fiddlers should be put out of their misery.

Regardless of the evidence ? Codswallop! It is precisely the evidence which convicts people. And nowadays the bulk of the evidence is scientific.  As Gilbert Grissom so eloquently  put it, ' The facts cannot lie.'

[Natasha Whittam]

Got to disagree with you on this one, Veronica. Advancement in modern science has virtually debunked the possibility that innocent people are being convicted of crimes they didn't commit. Deoxyribonucleic acid put paid to that argument. Serial killers and Kiddy Fiddlers should be put out of their misery.

Regardless of the evidence ? Codswallop! It is precisely the evidence which convicts people. And nowadays the bulk of the evidence is scientific.  As Gilbert Grissom so eloquently  put it, ' The facts cannot lie.'

I think you need to take a step into the real world.

[Martinbwfc]

This has been debated time and again since the death penalty was abolished, the reason it was abolished was because it was deemed, after scrutiny that innocent people had gone to the gallows. Back in the days of Capital punishment, forensic science was a distant pipedream, and evidence could easily be swayed in favour of the prosecution.

These days though there is almost no way some innocent person could bee convicted of serious crime, with DNA even the tiniest molecule or hair is enough to prove you were at the scene of the crime, in fact by the time the convicted go to trial, it is nailed on they are guilty.

So as Sluffy says, save the country Millions, and hang them, it won't happen because the UK is run by too many dogooders, who have most likely never had to suffer the misfortune of having a child being abused or even killed, as Traf suggested earlier, an eye for an eye, that is the only justice the parents of murdered children deserve, and whilst I agree it won't bring their child back, it will be at least a shred of comfort to them knowing that the scumbag that took their most precious possesion from them, will rot in hell.

And for all on here if you ever found yourself locked in a room with someone you knew killed a child, or abused one, could you honestly say you would sit there and feel sorry for them, or would you go for their jugular, I am certain I WOULD GO FOR THE LATTER.

[bolt-on]

I'ts a Dilemma, but if you go by the book i'ts wrong for somebody to take another persons life, personally i think it was fate that the cnut got what he deserved . not saying it's right , but life has a funny way way of sorting the Bastards out.

 In other words i wont lose any sleep over the Bastard,just a pity That Twat Huntley still fc'ing Breathing.