A Footballers Cull

[Big_Sharps]

I think I understand where DP's coming from re: King.

She's not against him resuming his career after undergoing a sentence for his crime, being rehabilitated and showing remorse. Unfortunately his sentence wasn't long enough to fulfil those objectives.

Famous or not though, how often do people get let out before they have even completed the sentence they have been given.

The country is on it's arse anyway, everybody knows that.

[Diana Prince]

I think I understand where DP's coming from re: King.

She's not against him resuming his career after undergoing a sentence for his crime, being rehabilitated and showing remorse. Unfortunately his sentence wasn't long enough to fulfil those objectives.

Correct. He's still an animal he must be so I believe the players union & Coventry are complicit and showing zero respect to the problems of male violence on women.
If they've put him on a programme, and he's tagged maybe I'll feel a little better about it but I find it rather a sad indictment to our society that a man could be done for fraud and struggle to gain employment but a sexual predator can walk straight back into a very well paid job after a time in the nick which couldn't possibly have been long enough to have reformed him.

[dh1985]

If someone fiddled with kiddies, then they never would work with children again.

If someone stole - it would be unlikely that they would be given a position of trust until they prove that they had changed completely.

So by the same logic, I think someone in the 'entertainment' business who has significantly broken the law,
should similarly not be allowed back into the spotlight again (certainly not straight out of prison!)

I don't follow your logic. A convicted peodophile wouldn't be allowed to work with children due to the nature of the offence and the chances of refoffending.

A convicted thief would not be in a position of responsibilty due to the fact that they may reoffend. An employer is not likely to put such a person in that position.

I cannot see how Lee Hughes being a footballer means he is more or less likely to reoffend. I don't think it's putting him in a position to reoffend, unlike the scenarios you gave. Personally, I think Hughes will never reoffend. As for King, the man is scum and, in my opinion, is likely to reoffend no matter what is profession.

I cannot see any fan, no matter how impressionable they may be, wishing to emulate Hughes or King.  

[Diana Prince]

So we are of the opinion that a footballer should be able to resume his career, if he has served his time or if what Diana was saying, a long enough sentence?

But what if they did the same crime again? When is enough, enough?

We could always kill any criminals and put them in dog food.
We live in a civilised society, on the whole and when someone has done their sentence they should be allowed another chance. Do you not agree?

[Jamster26]

Yes absolutely, if it is a one off time and they have truly learnt there lesson

[Big_Sharps]

I think the best thing to come out of the Marlon King story was when the Sun printed a story about him becoming a muslim convert and said he became influenced by Abu Hamza and changed his name to reflect his new found faith.

Needless to say it was not true but amusing all the time.

[azreal88]

So we are of the opinion that a footballer should be able to resume his career, if he has served his time or if what Diana was saying, a long enough sentence?

But what if they did the same crime again? When is enough, enough?

You're getting into descending hypotheticals.  You can always ask "what if?" one more time, but there is little point to it.  If your question to people is "what do you think a footballer would have to do to no longer be able to remain in the game?" then ask that question.

[Jamster26]

Eh? Ok...then? That question.

[Le God]

Well i think maybe a series of baby killings might keep them out of the game or maybe a spree killing at a school.

[Diana Prince]

A number of beheadings. Not just one as that could've been an error of judgement. I mean 6 -10.

[Natasha Whittam]

If you're good at your job, there's no reason why you wouldn't get another similar job, if your conviction was totally unrelated to work and didn't involve a potential security risk.

Rubbish. If you admitted you'd been inside you wouldn't even get to interview stage for 99.99% of jobs. No decent employer will take on anyone with a criminal conviction.

[traf]

They will on Planet Earth.

End of conversation, because you know fúck all about it.

[Diana Prince]

Rubbish. If you admitted you'd been inside you wouldn't even get to interview stage for 99.99% of jobs. No decent employer will take on anyone with a criminal conviction.

I know someone with a conviction for affray who's not far off getting a footballer's wage for what he does. Also, he's employed by a company who required him to have MOD security clearance. He told them of his conviction at the time & there was no problem.

[H. Pedersen]

The thing I don't like is what 'message' it sends - particularly to the more cerebrally challenged football fan.

. . .

Sometimes people have responsibilities to others that can't be measured simply in black and white.

Charles Barkley, an NBA legend, famously said that he wasn't a role model and that parents need to raise their kids, not look to athletes to do it for them.  It's a message I agree with to some degree.  A guy is good at a sport so he has to have a squeaky clean image?  I'm certainly not saying this is an excuse for the behavior of guys like Hughes and King, but I'm not sure that they have a duty to be upstanding citizens any more than your average wage slave does.

From a practical point of view, if they are making money playing football then they are more likely to pay whatever restitituion they owe to their victims.

[Le God]

Sir Charles lol Certainly not a role model!

[Natasha Whittam]

I know someone with a conviction for affray who's not far off getting a footballer's wage for what he does. Also, he's employed by a company who required him to have MOD security clearance. He told them of his conviction at the time & there was no problem.

There will always be the odd exception, most companies won't risk it.

And Traf, fcuk off you knob. I know more about business than you'll ever know.

[traf]

Knob?

Classic retort, if you're 12.