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« on: 19 July 2010, 07:03 PM »

Anybody who hasn't seen it yet can watch it here for the rest of the week for free (Uk viewers only I think).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00t61gx/The_Damned_United/
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« Reply #1 on: 19 July 2010, 07:43 PM »

The UN?

I dont like the look of it to be honest.
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« Reply #2 on: 19 July 2010, 07:49 PM »

Martin Sheen (I think that is his name) is a cracking actor and even though I have only seen bits of footage about Brian Clough he seems to do a great job of acting like him in it.

Worth a watch sharps if I do say so myself.
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« Reply #3 on: 19 July 2010, 07:53 PM »

Martin Sheen (I think that is his name) is a cracking actor and even though I have only seen bits of footage about Brian Clough he seems to do a great job of acting like him in it.

Worth a watch sharps if I do say so myself.

I am not disputing the actor, I know he is getting reputation as a good actor but I dont think it is the kind of film for me.  Unless Brian Clough shoots Don Revie in the chest with a shotgun then I cant see it being much to my liking.
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« Reply #4 on: 19 July 2010, 07:55 PM »

The UN?

I dont like the look of it to be honest.

Whoops - thanks!

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« Reply #5 on: 19 July 2010, 07:55 PM »

Martin Sheen (I think that is his name) is a cracking actor and even though I have only seen bits of footage about Brian Clough he seems to do a great job of acting like him in it.

Worth a watch sharps if I do say so myself.

Michael Sheen, Martin Sheen is the actor in the West Wing, also he's the father to Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez. I've seen it twice and it's a cracking film as long as you get with the whole poetic licensing thing because a lot of it is incorrect.
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« Reply #6 on: 19 July 2010, 07:57 PM »

Which bits are incorrect 267 out of interest?

The book is better than the film.

I thought it was fairly accurate but I'm not an authority on Clough?
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« Reply #7 on: 19 July 2010, 08:04 PM »

Which bits are incorrect 267 out of interest?

The book is better than the film.

I thought it was fairly accurate but I'm not an authority on Clough?

I've copied this from wiki, original sorce here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Damned_United

Inaccuracies

The Damned United received its share of criticism for inaccuracies used to create the film as opposed to what actually happened during Clough's reign. Producer Andy Harries fought back claiming that without creating the fiction the film would not have been as exciting to watch. He also stood firm in his reassurance towards the family of Clough that the film produced a kinder character of him than the book. Writer Peter Morgan claimed that he did not feel the film's accuracy was of major importance.

    * Brian Clough managed Brighton & Hove Albion for 32 games before he departed in October 1973. The film insinuates that Clough took the Leeds job whilst on holiday in Majorca in 1974, having previously accepted the Brighton job on a handshake and taking the holiday, paid for by the club, before starting work. It implies he never actually managed the team.

    * In the film, Taylor and Clough argue fiercely in Majorca over the Leeds' manager's job offer. There is no record of Clough arguing with Taylor over joining him at Leeds nor a lack of interest in Brighton. Notably however, Majorca is the location where Peter Taylor died suddenly in 1990, having never made amends with Clough over the transfer of player John Robertson in 1983 from Nottingham Forest to Derby, an argument that was said to have damaged their friendship and working relationship permanently.

    * The film says that Leeds lost 1-0 to Luton Town during Clough's reign; this game, played on 7 September 1974, in fact finished 1-1 with Barry Butlin equalising for Luton after Leeds took the lead through Allan Clarke.

    * The film shows Gordon McQueen playing for Leeds United against Derby in the 1969 match. In reality McQueen did not start playing for Leeds until 1972.

    * The film shows suspended Billy Bremner sat next to Clough in the dug-out during a game. In reality, players/coaching staff are not allowed in the dug-out while on suspension.

    * In an interview with Murphy, Martin O'Neill stated that he had noticed an obvious error: The film implies that Dave Mackay was still a Derby County player when Clough resigned as Derby manager in 1973. In fact, Mackay had left Derby in 1971 to become player-manager of Swindon Town, and later manager of Nottingham Forest. O'Neill's quote however is debatable as the film clearly states that Mackay was signed in 1968 by Derby County, and also has Clough yearn in 1973 that he gave Mackay two years as a player, clearly insinuating that Mackay had been released at least three years prior to his appointment as manager.

O'Neill also questioned the portrayal of the relationship between Clough and Peter Taylor. He praised the performance of the actors, however, particularly that of Michael Sheen as Clough.

BBC Sport journalist Pat Murphy noted 17 factual inaccuracies in the film after watching it twice. He claimed that whilst he had the upmost respect for Sheen in his portrayal of Clough, he had full respect for Johnny Giles in his lawsuit towards Peace, which forced him to re-write the book and subsequently the film script, backing his claim that this was a film based on fact but developed through fiction. Particular findings of his are: -

    * In the film it is shown that three signings are made by Clough at once, those of Dave Mackay, John McGovern and John O’Hare. However, O'Hare was signed almost a year before Mackay, and McGovern and Mackay were signed on different days.

    * Murphy claimed that the scene in which Clough sits in his manager's office unable to watch Don Revie's Leeds face Derby County was completely false, and insisted that this would never have happened.

    * He also declared that the insinuation of Clough not wanting to debate with Revie about his tenure at Leeds United is completely inaccurate.

    * Murphy was also angered by the portrayal of Clough's drinking and smoking. He insisted that throughout the 1970s Clough was a perfectly fit manager who often actively trained with players at training ground matches, and that the portrayal of him drinking and smoking heavily was a battle he faced approximately 10–20 years after he became manager of Nottingham Forest in 1975.
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« Reply #8 on: 19 July 2010, 08:09 PM »

I never knew Peter Taylor was actually dead, all this the ex manager of Leicester and the England u21's was a zombie, very eerie.
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« Reply #9 on: 19 July 2010, 08:11 PM »

Yeah I vaguely remembered that he'd managed Brighton.

The rest of it is fairly minor though, and some open to considerable debate!
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« Reply #10 on: 19 July 2010, 08:12 PM »

Jesus, lads: it's only a film. There's bound to be errors in it.

If you're going to start like that, then I'll tell you that Lofty isn't a real lion: it's a bloke in a suit.
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« Reply #11 on: 19 July 2010, 08:13 PM »

Jesus, lads: it's only a film. There's bound to be errors in it.

If you're going to start like that, then I'll tell you that Lofty isn't a real lion: it's a bloke in a suit.

Very spooky haha
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« Reply #12 on: 19 July 2010, 08:15 PM »

Jesus, lads: it's only a film. There's bound to be errors in it.

If you're going to start like that, then I'll tell you that Lofty isn't a real lion: it's a bloke in a suit.

I have said it's a good film, just pointing out that there's a lot of poetic licensing in it. Don't shoot the messenger.
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« Reply #13 on: 19 July 2010, 08:17 PM »

Very spooky haha

I thought the same when I flicked to the other thread!
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« Reply #14 on: 20 July 2010, 02:53 AM »

They only slightly stretched the truth and grouped signings in the movie so you got the gist of who he signed and an approximate time line.

I thought that they showed Clough to be a much nicer personality that I actually recall from seeing him interviewed on TV in the 60s and 70s.  He was, in fact (in my opinion) a bit of an arse.  However, he was also a very good manager; just don't get on the wrong side of him.

He came up with some good one-liners but not as funny as Bobby Robson.
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« Reply #15 on: 20 July 2010, 07:21 AM »

I think Clough was a piss poor man manager,and without Taylor a piss poor club manager,a look through the records show that with Taylor he succeded at all levels,without Taylor he fucked up royally.The moral of the story is Taylor was the main man,Clough was the glory hunter,oh how Nigel could do with a Peter Taylor right now.
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« Reply #16 on: 21 July 2010, 10:04 AM »

I think Clough was a piss poor man manager,and without Taylor a piss poor club manager,a look through the records show that with Taylor he succeded at all levels,without Taylor he fucked up royally.The moral of the story is Taylor was the main man,Clough was the glory hunter,oh how Nigel could do with a Peter Taylor right now.

Thats probably the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

Taylor was a great reader of players and could pick the right ones that would fit into the side. But Clough was a brilliant manager who inspired the best out of players and has a fantastic record. Good managers surround themselves with the right staff.

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