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« on: 03 July 2010, 02:16 AM »

Last minute of extra time - the ball is heading for the back of the net - so you deliberately stop it with your hand.

Blatant cheating.

Need a goal against Ireland so you stop the ball going out with your hand - then control it once more with your hand and then score sending your team to the World Cup and the other team out.

Blatant cheating.

Your name is Diouf, you get into the penalty area and dive - penalty given - scored and game won

Blatant cheating.

I could go on but you get the picture.

If you are at the right end of the decision then you are laughing – but if you are at the wrong end of it, well you are simply devastated.

Uruguay are now in the semi’s of the World Cup, France got there instead of Ireland and we got the 3 points against Blackburn.

But is this right – should cheating be rewarded?



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« Reply #1 on: 03 July 2010, 02:34 AM »

The way I see it, the referees got the Henry and Diouf decisions wrong and on both occasions, Ireland and Blackburn came out on the wrong end of it.

What happened tonight was unfortunate for Ghana but if Gyan had put the penalty away, they'd be in the last 4. Instead, Uruguay got lucky and Suarez has become a national hero.

It's easy to feel sorry for Ghana but if I was in the same position, I'd take one for the team and hope the penalty is missed.
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« Reply #2 on: 03 July 2010, 04:42 AM »

Suarez should get a two-match ban which would effectively end his WC... but I have to admit that it was a gamble that worked, and his country will most likely appreciate it greatly.
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« Reply #3 on: 03 July 2010, 08:35 AM »

I would only cheat on her with someone who looked better otherwise it defeats the object of cheating.
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« Reply #4 on: 03 July 2010, 08:37 AM »

also how dare you sluffy, Diouf was clattered by Friedel in that game at ewood park and everybody knows it.
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« Reply #5 on: 03 July 2010, 10:25 AM »

Unless FIFA/UEFA stop pretending that the match officials can see everything and can get every decision right (i.e. the referee's decision is final), cheating (gamesmanship if it's your team/player) will always be part of the game's rich fabric.  (Sh*t, I'm in some mood this morning ....)

Now if FIFA/UEFA/FA reviewed all major matches and handed out swingeing punishments for such offences, things might improve.

Just don't hold your breath.
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« Reply #6 on: 03 July 2010, 12:08 PM »

I would only cheat on her with someone who looked better otherwise it defeats the object of cheating.

I wonder what Mrs Big Sharps gets upto when you're on here?
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« Reply #7 on: 03 July 2010, 12:58 PM »

Sorry to refer to rugby league again, but I really think the introduction of a 'penalty goal' needs to be brought in.

To explain, in rugby league, if an attacker is running in to score a try and it's blatantly obvious they're going to score, but they somehow end up not doing because of a break in the rules of the game by an opposing player, a penalty try is given, which means the try still counts. I think this should be introduced in football. That ball was clearly going in until Suarez put his hands in the air. That goal should have been given and he should have been sent off.

It's complete injustice to award Uruguay the chance to stop the ball going in the net with a penalty, regardless of the Ghana player missing the target.
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« Reply #8 on: 03 July 2010, 01:09 PM »

To be honest I disagree, I think a penalty is the right call and ten times out of ten before the penalty is taken everybody would take it. It's a free shot from 12 yards, and should never be missed. Alright it is a bit sketchy whether it's morally right but the punishment does fit the crime really.
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« Reply #9 on: 03 July 2010, 01:11 PM »

To be honest I disagree, I think a penalty is the right call and ten times out of ten before the penalty is taken everybody would take it. It's a free shot from 12 yards, and should never be missed. Alright it is a bit sketchy whether it's morally right but the punishment does fit the crime really.

So if it shouldn't be missed, surely it should be taken in an open net from two yards out? I don't understand why Uruguay should have the opportunity to stop the goal from going in when it clearly was prior to the handball? It's a total injustice and unfair to Ghana.
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« Reply #10 on: 03 July 2010, 01:37 PM »

Suarez acted on instinct, I'm pretty sure the majority of players, if not all would have done the same.
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« Reply #11 on: 03 July 2010, 02:13 PM »

So is it the common consensus that the ref should be able to give a red card and award a goal in similar situations?
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« Reply #12 on: 03 July 2010, 02:14 PM »

Uruguay conceded a penalty and had a player sent off for the incident so it's not like they were unpunished.Ghana were given a spot kick to win the game and then a penalty shoot out without Uruguay's best finisher being able to take one.

I didn't think it was a free kick in the first place so felt justice was done when the African skied it but  it is still unfortunate that Uruguay will be punished thrice in that one of their best players will miss the semi final.

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« Reply #13 on: 03 July 2010, 03:14 PM »

So is it the common consensus that the ref should be able to give a red card and award a goal in similar situations?

Absolutely not. I'm with RR, they got a player sent off and a penalty. That was enough.
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« Reply #14 on: 03 July 2010, 04:28 PM »

Absolutely not. I'm with RR, they got a player sent off and a penalty. That was enough.

I agree with the majority. They got a pen and the player got sent off. That is what the rules of the game provide. Wouldn't like the idea of the award of a 'penalty goal' or similar. If they had scored the pen, nothing would be made of it. The fact that the Ghana player missed the pen should not force a change of the rules. Sadly, it's not our problem. Made a meal of it that it was in the last minute. Shots getting handled on the line all the time. If you score the pen, you actually have an advantage as you have the goal you should have had and get to play the remainder of the match against ten men. Swings and roundabouts really.

As for the player, I wouldn't call him a 'cheat' as such. Anyone who has played the game knows that it's pure instinct in that position. I defy anyone to say they would not do the same in that position.
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« Reply #15 on: 03 July 2010, 04:39 PM »

So if it shouldn't be missed, surely it should be taken in an open net from two yards out? I don't understand why Uruguay should have the opportunity to stop the goal from going in when it clearly was prior to the handball? It's a total injustice and unfair to Ghana.

No, a penalty and a red card is ample punishment in my eyes. I don't think a player should ever miss a penalty, obviously there's contributing factors that can make you miss but to me there should be no more simpler task in football. The fact he missed it is his own fault, regardless of how the penalty was awarded.
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« Reply #16 on: 03 July 2010, 10:31 PM »

Cheating is absolutely right and understandable. Life is too short and we should try cut all corners possible to get what we want.
Suarez will be a hero forever in Uruguay now, had he just let the ball go in he would have been a failure and a nobody.
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« Reply #17 on: 03 July 2010, 10:35 PM »

Cheating is absolutely right and understandable. Life is too short and we should try cut all corners possible to get what we want.

Do you have examples where you have done this in your life Shaft?
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« Reply #18 on: 03 July 2010, 10:51 PM »

Cheating is absolutely right and understandable. Life is too short and we should try cut all corners possible to get what we want.
Suarez will be a hero forever in Uruguay now, had he just let the ball go in he would have been a failure and a nobody.


Apsolutley, You would cheat if it meant it would make your country go into the last 4 of the world cup.
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« Reply #19 on: 04 July 2010, 11:27 AM »

Do you have examples where you have done this in your life Shaft?

Yeah, to cut down the queue in Wimpy he gives cold burgers to drive-through customers

Some say Suarez acted on instinct, yes he might have done, but his actions when the penalty was missed show that he had no shame about it and that's the disgusting thing about it all.

A penalty is the right decision when a foul is made in the box like we see every week in football, but in my opinion I think it's wrong when the ball is clearly obviously going in, the goal should be given. I think if you were all Ghanaian you would be agreeing with me now as well.
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« Reply #20 on: 04 July 2010, 11:44 AM »

It was an instinctive natural reaction, he got his punishment with Ghana getting a penalty & him being sent off,goals like Lampards against Germany should be given over a players nature of stopping a goal. I think he could have headed it away but you can't help that split second reaction.
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« Reply #21 on: 04 July 2010, 12:12 PM »

Some say Suarez acted on instinct, yes he might have done, but his actions when the penalty was missed show that he had no shame about it and that's the disgusting thing about it all.

You absolute bell end - are you seriously suggesting Suarez shouldn't have celebrated when Ghana missed a last minute penalty against his team/country? You really are a prize muppet.
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« Reply #22 on: 04 July 2010, 12:21 PM »

You absolute bell end - are you seriously suggesting Suarez shouldn't have celebrated when Ghana missed a last minute penalty against his team/country? You really are a prize muppet.

Sport is about fair play and cheating to win in my eyes is not right, you shouldn't get any satisfaction from winning that way. Obviously if you think different then fine, but there's no need for insults is there?
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« Reply #23 on: 04 July 2010, 01:52 PM »

It's one of them, if it happens for you you love it, if it happens against you you hate it. Not one person wouldn't have done it, and not one person wouldn't have celebrated the fact they weren't going out of the World Cup. Winning IS everything in football and I don't care what anyone says, that's why there's so much simulation, time-wasting, and negative football in the hope of a shootout victory.

Much like the Diouf pen at Blackburn, I didn't agree with it but since we've definitely had karma come our way with all the penalties they've had against us, then I feel no shame in enjoying that goal as much as I did that night.
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« Reply #24 on: 04 July 2010, 03:16 PM »

You absolute bell end - are you seriously suggesting Suarez shouldn't have celebrated when Ghana missed a last minute penalty against his team/country? You really are a prize muppet.

fcuking twat him Shaft.
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