England 1-4 Germany

[Big_Sharps]

I was thinking more along the lines of Hodgson or Hughes.

Welsh Mark Hughes?

[aarons2009]

I get the feeling Spurs fans maybe a bit worried as Redknapp will be on top of the list to be the next england manager, him or roy hodgson.

[Big_Sharps]

I get the feeling Spurs fans maybe a bit worried as Redknapp will be on top of the list to be the next england manager, him or roy hodgson.

We will still have that Italian fucker, dont gte your hopes up because he wont walk and he wont get the boot.

[aarons2009]

We will still have that Italian fucker, dont gte your hopes up because he wont walk and he wont get the boot.

I think your last point might not be true, he definatly won't walk away from that wage but I assume that the FA just don't call a meeting straight after losing that badly for nothing.

We need an english manager who is not afraid to change things but we will have to wait and see if that happens.

[Diana Prince]

I get the feeling Spurs fans maybe a bit worried as Redknapp will be on top of the list to be the next england manager, him or roy hodgson.

I doubt it'd be twitcher. There's a dossier on him bigger than Allardyce apparently.

[Big_Sharps]

I think your last point might not be true, he definatly won't walk away from that wage but I assume that the FA just don't call a meeting straight after losing that badly for nothing.

We need an english manager who is not afraid to change things but we will have to wait and see if that happens.

I have had enough of football today so have not been looking at the latest news, so is that the case the FA have called him in for a meeting?

I would not treat that as him getting the boot because they might not just be giving him their backing, like I said somewhere else he has only just agreed to take the review his performance after the world cup out of his contract.  I do hope he goes but I am not so confident that the FA have the balls to fcúk him off and admit they was wrong.

It is not even the fact we have gone out at the stage we have, we have been truly woeful from first kick to last in this campaign and surely the manager has to take the flack for it.

[aarons2009]

I didn't see all the press conference but I have heard a few times that when he get's back in London they want a meeting with him.

Just hope someone in the FA has grown a pair and tells him where to go.

[Didledee]

I can't believe what happened today even now. It was a disgusting decision from the officials, it was a goal. It's  not fair.

We didn't deserve to win, but it doesn't make it right, the game could have finished 7-5, we had  chances but Germany played better. Route 1 for the 1st goal was pathetic, Barry giving it away again on the outside of the box[like v Slovenia] cost us , the defending was Sunday league esk, even worse.

It really hurt seeing that, I'm just glad Bolton are still in the Prem, at least their's summat to look forward. As for England in the Euro2012 qualifiers, right now I'm not interested.

[Diana Prince]

I can't believe what happened today even now. It was a disgusting decision from the officials, it was a goal. It's  not fair.

I really do have to say I think that was completely irrelevant.
Better we go out to Germany now than to build our hopes up only to be humiliated next week playing the Argies. I dread to think how bad we'd have been against them.
I do hope they're flying home cattle class.

[Big_Sharps]

I can't believe what happened today even now. It was a disgusting decision from the officials, it was a goal. It's  not fair.

That just sounds like a petulent child throwing his toys around his room, the truly gutless performance will overshadow any possible wrongdoing by the officials and any sane mind can see that we deserved to get destroyed.

[Didledee]

On the evidence of the game we did deserve to lose, but at 2-2 a totally different game would have happened, Germany may have scored 2 more goals, but they would have been different goals, because the same passage of play wouldn't have happened, 2 goals in a minute is gonna give teams a massive boost, but instead of a boost it filled the fans and players with anger and feelings of being cheated a perfect goal.

Yes Germany had chances and scored 2 more counter attack goals in the 2nd half, but if we just use a simple instant helping hand like goal line technology, then at least its fair and we can blame our performance with out an excuse.

We should/could have been 4-0 down before Upson got a goal back, but we scored a perfectly legal 2nd goal, that would have made for a different football match, no one knows the future, so we can't then say what would have happened from 2-2

More than likely we may have lost still and I know people make mistakes, but when we are in modern times at least give the game a chance to play out fairly, I know people are saying justice for 1966, but that was then, it doesn't make it right, I really was looking forward to this World Cup and it feels like not only have the players not performed but like we have been denied a chance to at least take our chances and play the game from 2-2.

[bigsamsarmyusa]

As I expected us to be defeated, I'm not as upset as some of you. I didn't have much faith in England, having watched them stumble through the group stages. We've been appalling throughout.

It is too late to say Capello should have picked this or that formation. Fact is that (hearsay, really) he is a very stubborn man that won't budge on his decisions. As such, he's hopefully fallen on his own sword.

As Andy Gray said on Sky and on his show here in the US (Ticket to Africa), we MUST get rid of him and get back to an English manager. Personally, I think that Roy Hodgson or even Harry Redknapp could be successful leading us into the Euro qualifiers in September.

www.skysports.com/football/world-cup-201...7462_6233241,00.html

Once Capello's gone, those players that haven't had the grace to "retire" need to be sacked and whomever the new manager is, he needs to start from scratch with a blank piece of paper.

I am SICK AND TIRED of listening to the media and the fans talking England up, only for us to fail abysmally.

We ARE NOT a top class footballing nation any more. There are a handful of very good (not great) English players in the Premier League; however, the majority of the very good and great players are foreigners; and, maybe, they make our very good players look better than they actually are.

[bigsamsarmyusa]

I really was looking forward to this World Cup and it feels like not only have the players not performed but like we have been denied a chance to at least take our chances and play the game from 2-2.

Thing is, Didle, that with or without the goal not being given, we didn't step up our game and fight for a win.  We wilted away, like we have all through the group games.

It's best that we got thrashed and embarrassed because maybe now the FA will do something about the manager (sack him) and those players without the decency to retire will be sacked too and we can start over.

First game of the Euro qualifiers is in September; no time to sit around doing nothing.

[Big_Sharps]

I am truly astounded that you seem to lay blame at the officials for us not being in the quarter finals, the celebrity culture of the english national team is the reason we never perform on the world stage and why we always perform badly at big tournaments. It is no surprise that 1998 was the last time that we put any real effort into a tournament because there was less money in the game then.

[Didledee]

I'm not saying it's the reason we got knocked out, its just it should have been 2-2[not on balance of play mind] and then the game plays out in a different way.

Last time England played well in a tournament for me was Euro 2004, we were the best attacking side, and Rooney was the player of the comp, that was until he broke his foot against Portugal and it all changed.

[Big_Sharps]

I'm not saying it's the reason we got knocked out, its just it should have been 2-2[not on balance of play mind] and then the game plays out in a different way.

Last time England played well in a tournament for me was Euro 2004, we were the best attacking side, and Rooney was the player of the comp, that was until he broke his foot against Portugal and it all changed.

It could have played out differently not it would have, on the basis of that performance we would still have defended like an under 9's team and would still have been thoroughly beaten.

[aarons2009]

It could have played out differently not it would have, on the basis of that performance we would still have defended like an under 9's team and would still have been thoroughly beaten.

If it had been given or not we would have lost either way as we were very poor and as Andy Gray said last night it gives the media an exuse to paver over the cracks.

Get in an english manager who actually cares about the country like no italian man could.

Redknapp or Hodgson with beckham as assistant IMO.

[Chris Rabz]

A day on and it's quite clear the message from this game. Whatever the rights, wrongs, decisions, ifs and buts are of the game or the tournament the bottom line... Germany 4-1 England. This is not acceptable, but stark proof that we just aren't up to it in the national game. We've always been a domestic-first country which is why United/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool are always in the last four of European competition. But as a result the national side suffers.

We got exactly what we deserved from this World Cup, and while this 'Muller-ing' hurts badly, it might be a blessing in disguise - it might just be the kick up the backside the English game needs. The whole world now knows we are just not good enough anymore. This supposed 'golden generation' has gone on long enough now with no success - not even a hint of it.

Time for a change. Change the lot of them.

[aarons2009]

This is what you get when the tops sides opt to buy the best foreign players in the world, makes the league better but the young english players either end up playing for low premier league sides or in the lower leagues.

They never get the chance to make the step up to the england national side as everyone automatically thinks they are not good enough just because they play for teams like Bolton, Stoke or Blackburn when in fact they would do just as good job as the Gerrards and Lampards because they would want it more IMO.