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« on: 15 April 2010, 12:23 PM »

...for another season if wenger doesnt see him as part of the 1st team next season, great news IMO  Cool

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6094514,00.html
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« Reply #1 on: 15 April 2010, 12:51 PM »

He says he'd rather play for Arsenal.

We don't need players like that, we need players who will die for the white shirt.
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« Reply #2 on: 15 April 2010, 01:02 PM »

He says he'd rather play for Arsenal.

We don't need players like that, we need players who will die for the white shirt.

I didnt like his comments to be honest, I get we are not Real Madrid and people are not going to be fighting over playing for us but we can do without players who are just happy to play for us because we are his only option and it beats being in the Arsenal reserves.
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« Reply #3 on: 15 April 2010, 01:04 PM »

I didnt like his comments to be honest, I get we are not Real Madrid and people are not going to be fighting over playing for us but we can do without players who are just happy to play for us because we are his only option and it beats being in the Arsenal reserves.

Good post. Wilshere is a very good player but our main problem is a complete lack of fight throughout the team. You don't get 100% from players who'd rather be elsewhere.

If we manage to stay up Coyle needs to re-ignite the passion our players showed under Fat Sam.
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« Reply #4 on: 15 April 2010, 02:40 PM »

Isn't it better to have a good player biding his time, rather than an inadequate player playing for the badge?
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« Reply #5 on: 15 April 2010, 02:46 PM »

Wilshere is an Arsenal player. Why wouldn't he rather be playing for his own team?

I'd hope Danny Ward and Tope Obadeyi would rather be playing for us than Swindon and Rochdale or whatever.

90% of the players in our team would jump at the chance of playing for another team if they had a better offer or they weren't playing in the first team.

Wilshere isn't going to come out and say fcúk Arsenal I want to play for Bolton. The deal was always him coming here to get experience. Good news for us is he's played VERY well and that he'd be happy to come back.

Of course if Wenger wants to use him he's going to play for Arsenal. But it's great to know he'd be happy to come back if he isn't in Wenger's first team plans. I got the feeling he might be sent out on loan next season but he might go somewhere different, maybe to a Newcastle(big ground/big game atmosphere) or a West Ham(seeing as he supports them)

But if he's happy to come back that's fantastic news as far as I'm concerned. Obviously shows he's found his time here enjoyable and worthwhile.

Just because we don't own him or because he has ambitions to play for a bigger club doesn't mean he isn't passionate about winning football games for Bolton Wanderers.

He's shown more passion and effort the last month than anyone else in our squad.
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« Reply #6 on: 15 April 2010, 03:41 PM »

Wilshere is an Arsenal player. Why wouldn't he rather be playing for his own team?

I'd hope Danny Ward and Tope Obadeyi would rather be playing for us than Swindon and Rochdale or whatever.

90% of the players in our team would jump at the chance of playing for another team if they had a better offer or they weren't playing in the first team.

Wilshere isn't going to come out and say fcúk Arsenal I want to play for Bolton. The deal was always him coming here to get experience. Good news for us is he's played VERY well and that he'd be happy to come back.

Of course if Wenger wants to use him he's going to play for Arsenal. But it's great to know he'd be happy to come back if he isn't in Wenger's first team plans. I got the feeling he might be sent out on loan next season but he might go somewhere different, maybe to a Newcastle(big ground/big game atmosphere) or a West Ham(seeing as he supports them)

But if he's happy to come back that's fantastic news as far as I'm concerned. Obviously shows he's found his time here enjoyable and worthwhile.

Just because we don't own him or because he has ambitions to play for a bigger club doesn't mean he isn't passionate about winning football games for Bolton Wanderers.

He's shown more passion and effort the last month than anyone else in our squad.

Took the words out of my mouth mate. He has been one of the best players for us since hes been here and shows a hell of a lot of Hunger and passion.

Top Boy me thinks, would love him to stay !
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« Reply #7 on: 15 April 2010, 07:07 PM »

He says he'd rather play for Arsenal.

We don't need players like that, we need players who will die for the white shirt.

I know where you're coming from and he shouldn't be saying them but two things come to mind:

1. He's a million times better than anyone we currently have and are likely to get

2. It was always obvious that his intention was to get some match experience here and go back to Arsenal. It was always our intention to use his abilities and give him that experience. Nothing has changed, it's not a secret. He's hardly going to sign for us on a permanent is he!
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« Reply #8 on: 15 April 2010, 07:19 PM »

Agree with Jimbo fully. The lad gets stuck in, looks ok on the ball, seems to care whether we win or not.

The other 10+ donkeys should be ashamed to collect their wages.
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« Reply #9 on: 15 April 2010, 07:26 PM »

This is a point of we shouldnt be creaming our pants that Jack Wilshere deems us better than fcúk all, I am happy for him to say he would rather play at Arsenal but I expect alot more positivity about coming back to this one.
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« Reply #10 on: 15 April 2010, 07:57 PM »

You are all wrong. Idiots.

Wilshere is bad for morale. He's a big time Charlie from the capital, only 18, more cash than acne, and is clearly using us for bigger and better things.

Good player or not, we need to ditch him and have a squad of players that want to play for Bolton Wanderers. Heart and passion will get you a long way in a league where quality is lacking in most teams. Look at Stoke.
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« Reply #11 on: 15 April 2010, 08:03 PM »

You are all wrong. Idiots.

Wilshere is bad for morale. He's a big time Charlie from the capital, only 18, more cash than acne, and is clearly using us for bigger and better things.

Good player or not, we need to ditch him and have a squad of players that want to play for Bolton Wanderers. Heart and passion will get you a long way in a league where quality is lacking in most teams. Look at Stoke.

Your going overboard which is probably your intention, He isnt showing us the credit we deserve by ackowledging what a good club this is and what we have done for him.  Im pretty sure the rest of you would still back him even if he said staying here next season is better than a kick in the balls.

If the rest of you dont have any morale standing and respect for the club then no wonder Wilshere dosnt.
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« Reply #12 on: 15 April 2010, 08:22 PM »

Once again Natasha embarrasses himself.

But he got the reaction he was looking for.
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« Reply #13 on: 15 April 2010, 08:29 PM »

Some of you are taking this a tad too far. It's only an article, it's not like he's said he doesn't want to come back. He obviously respects our club if he would like to return given the opportunity.
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« Reply #14 on: 15 April 2010, 10:37 PM »

You are all wrong. Idiots.

Wilshere is bad for morale. He's a big time Charlie from the capital, only 18, more cash than acne, and is clearly using us for bigger and better things.

Good player or not, we need to ditch him and have a squad of players that want to play for Bolton Wanderers. Heart and passion will get you a long way in a league where quality is lacking in most teams. Look at Stoke

Yawwwwwn. Did you say that when we first signed him?
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« Reply #15 on: 15 April 2010, 11:04 PM »

What is wrong with wanting a squad of players committed to Bolton Wanderers?

I realise some of you have never actually witnessed such a phenomenon, but believe me it makes a huge differennce to results.
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« Reply #16 on: 15 April 2010, 11:31 PM »

It's not that, it's just we also need quality and don't want to sacrifice quality for players that have commitment and passion... but nothing else. We need a balance, that's why we were so good in the best Allardyce days because we have the brawn of Davies, N'Gotty and then the creativity of Okocha, Anelka, Diouf etc.

And Wilshere hasn't provided any evidence on the pitch so far that makes him appear uncommitted.
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« Reply #17 on: 15 April 2010, 11:36 PM »

There is very little quality these days outside the top 4 teams. People say footballers are better today than they have ever been. That's bollocks, it's simply you can't tackle anymore so players have more time and space.

So the teams that can pull away from the relegation zone (Stoke, Rovers, Fulham etc) are the ones with a good team spirit and 100% commitment. Quality doesn't come into it.
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« Reply #18 on: 16 April 2010, 08:03 PM »

There is very little quality these days outside the top 4 teams. People say footballers are better today than they have ever been. That's bollocks, it's simply you can't tackle anymore so players have more time and space.

So the teams that can pull away from the relegation zone (Stoke, Rovers, Fulham etc) are the ones with a good team spirit and 100% commitment. Quality doesn't come into it.

Just because he would rather be at Arsenal doesn't mean he isn't committed. I think just about everyone on here is in a job where they think 'this is ok but I could be somewhere better' but still work hard in their position, that's just the way it is.

Even if you take commitment out of it, Wilshere is still 100 times better than any of our players even if he is half-arsed.

Speaking of half-arsed, what about our squad? With exception to a few, they don't look like they give a toss. I would much rather have a half-arsed Jack Wilshere (even though he does try), then a half-arsed Matty Taylor any day.
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« Reply #19 on: 17 April 2010, 01:57 PM »

It is silly to berate a player for wanting to play for his club. Jack surely has other options for a loan spell, and I am happy for the added quality he brings to the team.
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« Reply #20 on: 19 April 2010, 11:57 AM »

The argument here is predicated upon a false premise: that Wilshere doesn't work hard.  He does.  He tracks back, he harasses players with the ball, he's happy when we do well, and he's upset when we don't.  He was certainly celebrating wildly when Taylor scored the winner against Stoke.

At Bolton we have this tendency to trash good players for being "lazy" while praising average players for their work ethic, even if it produces nothing.  People say the same think about Klasnic, they said it about Borgetti, and some even said it about Anelka.  It's like a coping mechanism for dealing with their inevitable departure.
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« Reply #21 on: 20 April 2010, 10:05 AM »

Now Sharps and Natasha's comments do apply to Weiss who has shown nothing but disrespect to his teammates and Bolton Wanderers in general.

He clearly thinks he is bigger than us. I actually don't think he'll ever make it at City, he has alot to learn when it comes to talking with the media.

I did say I hope Coyle would give him some time to let us see what he can do in the final few games- I retract that. I'd rather have someone who has an ounce of passion about playing for Bolton.

I get Weiss and Wilshere are essentially only here to get games but Wilshere has been nothing but spot on in his approach. Worked hard, got his head down and forced his way into the team. Weiss meanwhile has bitched and moaned that he isn't playing. From his latest comments(someone can post em up) I get the feeling he couldnt give a flying fcúk at all whether he is playing for Bolton/Blackburn/Wigan/Burnley etc. I'm sure there are a few in the team who feel the same, I don't expect him to love the club but at least show a basic level of courtesey. Wilshere manages it well enough.

As for Vlad, send him home today. Pack your bags and Weiss Off.
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« Reply #22 on: 20 April 2010, 11:14 AM »

If I had the choice between "bleeds for the white shirt" Steinsson or "foreign mercenary" Candela I know who I would take . . .
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« Reply #23 on: 20 April 2010, 11:25 AM »

Now Sharps and Natasha's comments do apply to Weiss who has shown nothing but disrespect to his teammates and Bolton Wanderers in general.

He clearly thinks he is bigger than us. I actually don't think he'll ever make it at City, he has alot to learn when it comes to talking with the media.

I did say I hope Coyle would give him some time to let us see what he can do in the final few games- I retract that. I'd rather have someone who has an ounce of passion about playing for Bolton.

I get Weiss and Wilshere are essentially only here to get games but Wilshere has been nothing but spot on in his approach. Worked hard, got his head down and forced his way into the team. Weiss meanwhile has bitched and moaned that he isn't playing. From his latest comments(someone can post em up) I get the feeling he couldn't give a flying fcúk at all whether he is playing for Bolton/Blackburn/Wigan/Burnley etc. I'm sure there are a few in the team who feel the same, I don't expect him to love the club but at least show a basic level of courtesey. Wilshere manages it well enough.

As for Vlad, send him home today. Pack your bags and Weiss Off.

You could well be right Jimbo but I would like to think that this is simply a way of him trying to win more game time from now until the end of the season. No player is happy sitting on the bench but if we play him in the remaining 3 games then he may change his mind and want to stay next season.
Just look at Roman Pavlyuchenko, he was doing the same thing as Weiss is doing now but now after he has started allot more games, he wants to stay.
I wouldn't read too much into it though, players can get misquoted and agents come out all the time saying this and that to try and improve the situation of their client.
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« Reply #24 on: 20 April 2010, 11:40 AM »


At Bolton we have this tendency to trash good players for being "lazy" while praising average players for their work ethic, even if it produces nothing.  

That's because the very least we (the fans) should expect from any player who pulls on the white shirt is 100% commitment at all times.

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